Alyce, Sweet Alyce: Redux

Not another redux post again!

Don’t worry, I won’t post more than one post a week for the time being on this blog. I don’t want to confuse you with the Cayos from Wisconsin.

I wrote this post before Steve Myers found out all about Chrétien Lemaire who deserted his post in 1780.

Steve added this interesting comment yesterday.

I can’t say I’m surprised he deserted. We Myers’ have always been too independent for our own good!

Steve Myers has some catching up to do on this blog, but I don’t want him to read all the 629 posts I wrote since September 2009.

At first I was a little bit afraid that I might have scared him away from all this research I have done on his Myers ancestors.

This post was to have been sort of a starter so Steve would have known that I am not a crazy Canuck hooked on genealogy who is trying to find rich relatives in the U.S. or sell him coffee mugs with his ancestors’ coat-of-arms.

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This was the story I wrote of Alyce LaGasse’s quest for her ancestors.

I wrote it in 2010. The story is quite amazing and I am still pinching myself when I think about it. Alyce is also pinching herself and she is sometimes flummoxed by all the research I have done.

Alyce was the first distant cousin in the U.S. to find me. Strangely enough Alyce is also a third cousin once removed like Steve, and she is not scared a bit.

Start reading Alyce Sweet Alyce…

This is no horror story…

In fact I don’t like watching horror movies.

“Sweet Alice”, that’s what I called her, reminded of something so I checked on the Internet just to be sure.You find a lot of things on the Internet… like my blog on genealogy.

Alyce has won the jackpot and she won big.

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In my search for descendants of my great-great-grandfather Stanislas Lagacé, I had found a brother, Pierre Lagacé, who had married Marcelline David.

Tammy Middleton and Alyce LaGasse were the only two persons to ask for help in finding their roots.

Pierre Lagacé, born in 1825, was their common ancestor. Tammy was looking for family ties with this unknown chef.

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Alyce is the granddaughter of Idala Lagacé who was also known as Idala Lagassé, Idala Lagossi and Idola Lagasse.

Both Idala and Ambroise were Pierre Lagacé’s and Marcelline David’s sons. Idala was Alyce’s grandfather and Ambroise was Tammy’s children’s great-great-grandfather.

Tammy never returned my e-mails, but Alyce was all excited.

Oh my goodness… what a surprise to find a follow-up – yes, even if I discovered this 6 months later and the post was . . . 10 years ago.

My interest is renewed – I do have relatives somewhere!

Yes, as per your blog, I am alive :) 🙂 and would love to know more.

Please!

Pierre Lagacé (we share the same given name) married Marcelline David on February 4, 1850 in Notre-Dame-des-Anges church in Notre-Dame-de-Stanbridge, a small picturesque village in Missisquoi county just north of Lake Champlain.

Notre-Dame-des-Anges Church built in 1893

I knew all about Idala Lagasse with the help of parish records and censuses. It was so easy to find Alyce’s ancestors.

1871 Canadian Census

Name: Idola Lagassé
Gender: Male
Age in years: 1
Estimated birth year: 1870
Birthplace: Quebec
Marital status:
Origin (Ancestry): Francaise
Religion: Catholique
Census place: 02, Stanbridge i, Missisquoi 125, Quebec

1901 Canadian Census

Farmer

Lagossi Idala     M Head          M  Mar 1     1870     31
Lagossi Albina     F Wife          M  Mar 24     1872     29
Lagossi Rose     F Daughter    S  Jan 1     1894     7
Lagossi Parmilias     F Daughter    S  Dec 3     1894     6

1920 U.S. Census

Name: Idala A Lagasse
Residence: Part Of Precinct 9 New Bedford Part Of Ward 3, Bristol, Massachusetts
Estimated birth year: 1871
Age in years: 49
Birthplace: Canada
Relationship to head-of-household: Self
Gender: Male
Race or color (on document): White
Marital status: Widowed

But I had no pictures to show her!

Alyce told me she had a picture of Idala with his sons.

I just couldn’t wait to see how he looked.

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Back in 2010, Alyce LaGasse knew nothing about her Lagacé roots.

She started looking for old pictures she once thought throwing away in the garbage.

She looked and looked and looked. And Alyce found them and shared everything so other descendants of Idala Lagasse might one day find this blog and see how their ancestors looked like.

Idala 1930

Idala Lagasse

Identification of Idala's sons

Idala’s five sons

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Idala’s five sons

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Idala and four of his five sons

So now Steve, you should know me better.

I wish I had a beautiful picture of the church where Julien Myers and Agnès Lagacé were married on July 13, 1869 instead of this one built in 1893.

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I would have wished you had old pictures of people you know nothing about. I would have been a great help in finding who was who.

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New Bedford, February 2, 1947

This article was supposed to be published on May 31th 2010. I thought that the story was over…

Read the article because there is more to it later on.

This is the closing chapter of Idala LaGasse’s story…

Sometimes you find something precious…

Alyce has something that is very precious.

Her grandfather wrote to his son David, Alyce’s father.

That was 63 years ago. Idala was 77 years-old and David was 31.

The letter is in French.

Alyce is learning French as well as the rudiments of genealogy.

She hit the jackpot twice since her third cousin is a retired teacher and now a freelance translator as well as an amateur genealogist seriously addicted to genealogy.

Alyce translated her grandfather’s letter. Pierre gave her an A- and helped her a little bit.

This is now the finish product.

You will learn a lot about Idala by reading it…

New Bedford, Mass

February 2, 1947

David LaGasse


Dear son

We have received your nice letter of 28 January. We are happy to know that  your health is very good and that everything is running smoothly.

May God be blessed because happiness is a blessing  that comes from heaven and deserves great appreciation.

You told me in your last letter that you prefer a private letter [instead of a postcard]. What a coincidence because I also prefer that but when  I receive a postcard, I use the same method to answer back.  It is not that I don’t have any paper because I have a lot.

I am happy to know of your good disposition and the suggestions  that  you  make at the moment. You have all we need right now. The pension we receive right now is 82 dollars each month which is enough for us. Despite the raise in the cost of living, we are very well and our health is good for our age. We thank God for this.

I am pleased to know the good thoughts that you have for your mother who, in turn, loves each one of you equally as if you were her own children.

This was my most profound desire when I got married: a good spouse,  a good mother, a good husband and good children make for a good household and peace everywhere.

We must then thank God for all these blessings.

Rose is not working anymore. She is resting for awhile. Eugene is still working and he behaves well.

Samuel still has his new business and he is well

Bob and Florence are both working. They are well.

Respectfully,

Your father

Meet the Moreaus

I wrote this article in May 2010.

I never got around to post it.

1921

These are the daughters of Eugene Moreau and Rose Lagasse.

Alyce LaGasse had also this picture taken in 1921.

See anything…

Déjà vu…?

Meet Alice and Beatrice Moreau, they are Alyce’s cousins.

Their mother, Rose Lagasse, is David LaGasse’s sister.

Rose was the eldest child of Idala Lagasse.

Next time, we will meet Eugène Moreau and his wife Rose… in 1947.

Before I leave, I will leave you with this picture…

Anchors aweigh…

Click on the picture.

Sixth inning… Remember Adolph Lagasse

Do you remember him?

Click here.

Sandy had this in her files.

 

Pierre Adolphe Lagasse 1851-1922

Then this…

 

Elphege Lagasse 1879-1923

And this…

Adolphe Lagasse lived in New Bedford, Massachusetts. He died in 1922.

His son Elphege died in 1923.

Adolphe was Idala’s brother. You know everything there is to know about Idala.

There is always something more to learn…

The whole picture

Alyce LaGasse and Pierre Lagacé did not know each other last April.

Pierre Lagacé in 2009

Pierre Lagacé in 2011

Alyce LaGasse

Now they know all there is to know about Idala LaGasse’s ancestors and his descendants…

Idala Lagasse

Well most of them.

Alyce and Pierre know that they are not close relatives of Emeril Lagasse.

Emeril Lagasse

They have put a lot of effort in their search for Idala’s sons since last April.

With Alyce’s help, Pierre has finally found the identity of all of Idala’s sons.

There is no Marc LaGasse after all, unless Anthony was also know as Marc Anthony or Anthony Marc.


In our search for Marc or Anthony, we have finally found George Lagasse.

This picture was taken around 1926-1927.

George is on the left. He wears glasses.

Idala Lagasse and Albina Quintin were married in 1890 and had 15 children:

Idala (1890-1891)

Joseph (1891-1892)

Regina (1892-1892)

Rose (1894-1974)

Parmelia (1894-1903)

No given name  (1895) died at birth

Diodore (1898-1898)

Hector (1900-1900)

Anthony (1901-2005)

Samuel (1902-1974)

Florence (1904-?)

David (1906-1953)

George (1908- 1985)

Rudolph (1909- 1980) Rudy

Cecile Beatrice (1913-1915)

Albina died in 1914 at the age of 42.

This is her death certificate.

She died in St. Luke’s Hospital. The cause of her death is general septicemia following phlebitis of both femoral veins.

The Lagasse family must have been devastated.

Alyce’s father was 8 years old at the time. He was old enough to understand what was happening.

Idala had six children to care for.

His daughter Rose was already married to Eugène Moreau. They got married in 1912.

Alyce told Pierre that the children were put in an orphanage and she had precious documents to prove it.

June 13, 1918

March 20, 1919


George was also put in an orphanage…

Alyce said the family lost track of him.

This is the reason why George is not in this picture…

Rudy, Samuel, Idala, Anthony and David

But Alyce found George with the help of another Pierre…

Next Monday, we meet George with the help of Peter Lagasse.

Idala was a humble man…

How do I know this…?

I can feel it in my bones.

Idala was certainly a humble man and I know all this publicity makes him very uncomfortable.

Idala Lagasse

1870-1947?

He was a carpenter by trade just like my great-grandfather Stanislas Lagacé.

Stanislas changed his name to Dennis Lagassee when he emigrated to the United States in 1889 with his family much like hundreds of thousand other French-Canadians in the 19th century.

I knew nothing about my great-grandfather Stanislas two years ago. My father Léo Junior did not talk much nor did his father Léo Senior.

I even wonder if my father knew anything about his grandfather Stanislas.

What I know is that my father was not a family man because when my grandfather Léo Senior died in 1964, my father who the eldest son cut ties with his brothers and sisters.

In 2008, Val d’Or Lagacé, a complete stranger,  sent me an e-mail with my grandfather’s death certificate. Léo Senior’s mother’s name was on the document: H. Alexandre.

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With only this small clue I was able to go back in the past and link with André Mignier. In 2009 I reunited with some of my father’s brothers and sisters mostly with Jacques and Fleurette.

The whole story is here if you want to read it…

Alyce found me in April 2010 and she hit the real jackpot.

Many more descendants are now hitting the jackpot…

Claudette in Florida, Randolph and Marc in Tennessee, and probably yourself because you are reading this article while you were searching for Emeril Lagasse in order to find out if you were related to him. Emeril is my 8th cousin and he is rich and famous. Emeril does not know it but many people come here when they type Emeril Lagasse genealogy on Google.

I am the third in line. I did not do it on purpose.

Alyce on the other hand is my 3rd cousin. I never asked her if she was rich and famous. I know she is a wonderful human being because I can feel it in my bones.

Now getting back to our humble carpenter, Idala would probably like to talk more about his family, his grandchildren, and his great-grandchildren…

So let’s talk about it a little… by starting with this picture Alyce sent me last week.

1921

The only clue is the date and a strong presumption Idala is there in the picture.

But where is he?

Alyce does not think Idala was rich enough to own a house.

This morning Alyce sent me more pictures… and I saw the light.

Next Monday I will show them to you.

Hey what going on down there…?

This is probably what Idala is telling everyone nowadays in paradise.

Idala is fast becoming a rising star in paradise just like Emeril Lagasse is a star down on Earth.

Bam!

Meet Idala, Alyce’s grandfather.

Bam!

With the help of her new found third cousin Pierre, Alyce has gone on a wild search for Idala’s descendants.

She said Pierre was amazing but Pierre thinks Alyce is amazing too.

He had warned her but she did not listen to him. The call of the wild is too strong.

This is why Pierre said that they were like wolverines.

In her search for the identity of Idala’s sons, she found information about Samuel LaGasse’s descendants.

She started with this picture and the info she had and went on a hunt.

Samuel LaGasse and Marie-Anne Lepage

Alyce found the names of the two little girls. She even has the name of Samuel’s lovely wife.

Come back next time to learn how she did it and a whole lot more…


Remember Diodore LaGasse?

Remember Diodore?

Well this man is not Diodore.

Diodore died when he was an infant.

I just found out about it while searching on FamilySearch.org.

I had found his baptisimal certificate in Notre-Dame-des-Anges parish. Diodore was born on March 11, 1898.

Diodore died when he was 6 months old.

Name: Diodore A. V. Lagasse
Gender: Male
Burial Place: New Bedford
Death Date: 16 Sep 1898
Death Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts
Age: 0
Birth Date: 1898
Birthplace: Canada
Father’s Name: Idola A. Lagasse
Father’s Birthplace: Canada
Mother’s Name: Albina Quinton
Mother’s Birthplace: Canada

I learned a lot more while conducting research on Idala Lagasse.

I found out he was married in 1890 in New Bedford, Massachusetts.

Groom’s Name: Idala Lagasse
Groom’s Birth Date: 1870
Groom’s Birthplace:
Groom’s Age: 20
Bride’s Name: Albina Quentin
Bride’s Birth Date: 1871
Bride’s Birthplace:
Bride’s Age: 19
Marriage Date: 10 Nov 1890
Marriage Place: New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts
Groom’s Father’s Name: Pierre
Groom’s Mother’s Name: Melissa
Bride’s Father’s Name: Noe
Bride’s Mother’s Name: Esperance

With this new info, we will have to start all over again with this picture…

Idala’s sons

And this one…

Idala’s sons

And this one…

Idala and sons

Alyce told me about Idala’s sons:

Rudy,
David,
Anthony,
Samuel
and probably someone named Marc.

Samuel and David have been identified,

Samuel LaGasse

We have to identify who are the others.

Come back on Monday.

Groom’s Name: Frobe Lagasse
Groom’s Birth Date: 1876
Groom’s Birthplace:
Groom’s Age: 21
Bride’s Name: Valida Forand
Bride’s Birth Date: 1875
Bride’s Birthplace:
Bride’s Age: 22
Marriage Date: 07 Jun 1897
Marriage Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts
Groom’s Father’s Name: Adolphe P.
Groom’s Mother’s Name: Melanie B.
Bride’s Father’s Name: Desire
Bride’s Mother’s Name: Philomene Sucier
Groom’s Race:
Groom’s Marital Status:
Groom’s Previous Wife’s Name:
Bride’s Race:
Bride’s Marital Status:
Bride’s Previous Husband’s Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02808-8
System Origin: Massachusetts-EASy
Source Film Number: 1843701
Reference Number: item 1 p 231
Collection: Massachusetts Marriages, 1695-1910

Pictures, pictures and more pictures…

Try this one for a starter…

Click on the image to zoom in.


1921

Alyce says this is Idala’s farm house in 1921.

Alyce knew little about who was in the picture so we will play History Detectives…


Alyce said his father is in this picture.

This is David.

David LaGasse

We must assume David is with his brothers.

Since David was born on May 26, 1906, we can date the picture at around 1926-1927.

We know that Diodore is the first son. Diodore was born in 1898.

This would be Diodore. He seems to be the eldest one.

Diodore LaGasse

What about the other brothers…? I know that there is Anthony, Samuel and Rudy.

This is where I would need the help of the man in Nashville.

I have sent him two e-mails and I have not received any reply.

I am a very patient person, and since Alyce has kept on sending me more pictures and documents about her father, I can wait.

Alyce has been searching hard… and sharing a lot

Alyce has been waiting for ten years to learn more about her father. Now it is her turn to help me in my search for André Mignier’s descendants.

Alyce went on the trail of other descendants of Idala Lagacé. She sent me an e-mail. She thinks she has found another descendant living in Nashville.

This is going to be fun… if he replies to my e-mail.

Speaking of fun… I have a lot of fun with Alyce’s pictures…

This one tells it all about her father…

This picture was taken in October 1935.

There is always a sad side to a beautiful story.