Catherine de Baillon

It’s a well-known fact that Dennis Lagasse IV is very proud of his ancestor André Mignier since 2011 when we connected for the first time in October 2011.

Dennis being very proud of his ancestor is a well-known fact if he is your friend on Facebook of course…

Dennis posted this on a forum in February 2004.

I’m the son of Lionel Lagasse and the grandson of Levi N. Lagasse and Marie Louise (Dube) Lagasse. Levi was one of twelve children born to my great-grandfather Dennis, and the Lagasse name was spelled with a “y” at the end for a time. My great-grandfather Dennis was killed in 1921 in an industrial accident while working in Bristol CT. U.S.A. Are there any others with a great-grandfather Dennis in their family tree?

In 2004 I was not interested a bit about genealogy, but in 2011 when he contacted me after Googling something on Google it opened many doors.


Soldier of the Régiment Carignan-Salières Illustrator Francis Back

 

Going back to Catherine de Baillon, it’s a well-known fact she came from a well-known family. She has no Facebook page though, but she has a lot of descendants.

Most of her descendants don’t know that fact.

What is not well-known, and probably will never be, is why she came to New France in the first place.

I used to be a little sarcastic when I wrote about Emeril, my 8th cousin.

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When people know they are linked to the Lagacés or the Lagasses, they get all excited and they want to know if they are related to Emeril.

I am not.

I get excited only when I discover new things about your ancestors whether they are related to Emeril…

EmerilLagasse caricature

Madonna,

Celine Dion…

or Brad Pitts.

Brad Pitts!

Brad Pitt

That’s a joke.

I know nothing about his genealogy.

Getting back to Catherine de Baillon, she was une fille du Roi.

Arrival_of_the_Brides_-_Eleanor_Fortescue-Brickdale

That’s how people called unmarried women leaving France to get married in New France. They were not the real daughters of the king.

Here are Catherine de Baillon’s ancestors… She has a few kings as direct ancestors.

Ligne ascendante de Catherine Baillon à Charlemagne

  1. Catherine Baillon & Jacques Miville dit Deschênes, m 12 novembre 1669 Notre-Dame de Québec
  2. Alphonse Baillon, sieur de La Mascotterie, & Louise de Marle, m vers 1630/1640, région de Chevreuse (Yvelines)
  3. Renée Maillard & Adam Baillon, seigneur de Valence, m vers 1580
  4. Miles Maillard, seigneur du Breuil et de La Boissière & Marie Morant, cm 25 juin 1555…
  5. Bénigne Le Bouteillier, dame de La Boissière & Jacques Maillard, seigneur de Champaigne, cm 16 avril 1516 Montivilliers (Seine-Maritime)
  6. Jean Le Bouteillier, seigneur de La Bouteillerie, de Roquemont, de Vaux-sur-Orge et de La Boissière & Marie de Venois, m vers 1480/1490
  7. Guy II Le Bouteillier, seigneur de La Boiuteillerie et de La Roche-Guyon & Isabeau Morhier, m vers 1450
  8. Catherine de Gavre d’Escornaix, dame de Vaux-sur-Orge et de La Boissière & Guy I Le Bouteillier, seigneur de La Bouteillerie et de La Roche-Guyon, m après avril 1419, vers 1425
  9. Isabelle de Ghistelles & Arnould VI de Gavre, baron d’Escornaix, m vers 1380/1390
  10. Roger de Ghistelles, seigneur de Dudzeele et de Straten & Marguerite, dame de Dudzeele, m en ou peu avant 1357
  11. Jean IV, seigneur de Ghistelles & Marie de Haverskerke, dame de Straten, m peu après juin 1337
  12. Marguerite de Luxembourg & Jean III, seigneur de Ghistelles, m 1284 avant juin 1289
  13. Mathilde de Clèves & Gérard de Luxembourg, seigneur de Durbury, m 1253
  14. Élisabeth de Brabant & Thierry de Clèves, seigneur de Dinslaken, m 19 mars 1233 Louvain
  15. Maire de France & Henri I, duc de Brabant, m 8/22 avril 1213 Soissons
  16. Philippe II Auguste, roi de France & Agnès d ‘Andechs de Méranie, m juin 1196
  17. Louis VII, roi de France & Adèle de Blois de Champagne, m 18 octobre 1160
  18. Louis VI, roi de France & Adélaïde de Savoie, m 1115
  19. Philippe I, roi de France & Berthe de Hollande, m 1071/1073
  20. Henri I, roi de France & Anne de Russie, m 19 mai 1051 Reims
  21. Robert II, roi de France & Constance de Provence, m 1003/1005
  22. Hugues Capet, roi de France & Adélaïde N…, m été 968
  23. Hugues le Grand, duc de France & Hedwige de Saxe, m 9 mai/14 septembre 938 Mayence ou Ingelheim
  24. Béatrice de Vermandois & Robert I, roi de France, m vers 895
  25. Héribert I, comte de Vermandois & N…
  26. Pépin, comte dans la région de Paris & N…
  27. Bernard, roi d’Italie & Cunégonde N…, m vers 815
  28. Pépin I, roi d’Italie & N…, m vers 795
  29. Charles Ier dit Charlemagne, roi des Francs et empereur d’Occident & Hildegard N…, m 771
Sources: René Jetté, John P. DuLong, Roland-Yves Gagné, et Gail F. Moreau.   1997.  “De Catherine Baillon à Charlemagne.” Mémoires de la Société généalogique canadienne-française 48 (Automne): 190-216.  Figure 2, pp. 195-196.

Catherine married Jacques Miville dit Deschênes on November 12, 1669. They had these children:

I MIVILLE Marie-Catherine (1670-1715)

II MIVILLE dit Deschesnes Charles (1671-1743)

III MIVILLE dit Deschênes Jean (1672-1711)

IV MIVILLE dit Deschênes Marie (1675-1677)

V MIVILLE dit Deschênes Charles (1677-1758)

VI MIVILLE dit Deschênes Marie-Claude (1681-…)

Charles Miville dit Deschênes dit le jeune, born in 1677,  is Dennis Lagasse IV’s ancestor on the Dubé side thanks to his grandmother Marie-Louise.

Daily and Dubé family

That’s not a joke Dennis…
Charlemagne is your direct ancestor.

Dennis IV lineage

Now, are you related somewhat to Dennis Lagasse IV?

If you are, then Merry Christmas, and may God bless all your descendants.

See you in 2013.

Merry Christmas Dennis

Dennis is a very nice guy.

How do I know if I never met him personaly?

Through his comments, his e-mails and more than 100 pictures he shared with me and all my readers since Christmas time last year.

Dennis, who is a second cousin once removed, and I have this in common.

We like to share information about our common ancestors and old pictures…

Emma Sévigny

This is a picture of Pierre Dubé and Emma Sévigny, the parents of his  grandmother Marie-Louise. He found it a few months or so ago and he sent it.

He did not have to do it…, but he did.

Last year before he contacted me, this is the only picture and information I had about Marie-Louise.

Levi headstone

This picture was taken in 2012. Dennis did not send it. Someone else did.

Aurelia Mquin 1889-1920

Judy offered her help after I had helped her with her family tree. Part of the story is here and here.

This headstone was a kind of Rosetta stone that guided me to Georges Dubé, Pierre Dubé’s father.

I only had George in my database. With this headstone I was able to link all the Dubés I had in my database, and of course Dennis’ grandmother Marie Louise Dubé seen here with two of her sisters on a picture also sent by Dennis.

Daily and Dubé familyMarie-Louise is in front with her two nieces.

Eugène Dubé, Napoléon Dubé and Joseph Dubé were all related to Marie-Louise. Her husband was Levi Napoleon Lagasse, grandson of Dennis Lagasse II.

Eugène had married Lillie Lagasse and Joseph had married Marguerite, Lillie’s sisters. These two were daughters of this man seen here on a picture also sent by Dennis.

Dennis Lagasse II

Dennis Lagasse II (1842-1927)

Birds of a feather stick together…

Some Dubés are probably on this picture from Dennis’ collection.

Who's Who Eugene Dube and Lillie Lagasse

I will probably never know.

About people wanting to share…

Someone who is a Lillie Lagasse’s descendant wrote me once. He seemed genuinely interested. I manage not to get to excited about finding a new virtual relative. 

He never wrote again. 

It’s a pity because I would have told him he was related to Catherine de Baillon.

Catherine de Baillon?

Stay tuned…

BTW…

Merry Christmas Judy!

Are you related to François Froebe?

Sometimes I start something and I never know where it will lead me. It happened so many times since 2009.

Just like this  translation of the comment I got  two weeks ago on my other blog Nos ancêtres also about genealogy. The original was posted on this blog with the title Sometimes

Good morning Mr. Lagacé,

I am starting my family tree, and I have some problem making sense of all this. I was born in Montreal and my father Yvan Frobe comes from the Mont-Joli region. I know we are of German descent (of what I can remember about my father’s history lessons when I was young), but I also know that my father said that the name Frobe had been modified – a sort of a scission for Freve or something of that kind. – My grandfather Wilfred Frobe was the son of Obeline Ross and Alphonse George Frobe who got married July 28, 1887 in Ste Flavie – he was probably the son of François Frobe and Honorine Langlais or Langlois who got married in 1856 in Cacouna. My great-grandfather had the surname Freve??? and a half-brother named Gédéon –

I know there are not a lot of Frobes in Quebec, but my father is the last male of our branch. He only had girls. My grandfather’s brother, Fortunat Frobe, also only had daughters.

Can you tell me where to look to help me in my search so I can visit the country where my ancestors lived?

With this comment, I started to get a little curious about François Froebe.

This is the story behind this ancestor.

I found it on the Internet from a reliable source… so I thought.

François Froebe, son of archduke Germain Froebe and Louise Rupelle, was born in 1759 in Mulhausen, Alsace. He was enlisted by force in the Anhalt regiment. He managed to escape from the frigate Delight anchored near Rivière-Ouelle in 1780 with four other soldiers, including Dickner, Phristern and Hurst.

He was sheltered by Antoine Lizotte. After, he worked for Joseph Francoeur, a farmer in Sainte-Anne-de-la-Pocatière and after, he worked for Jean-Baptiste Pelletier who had a boat used for cabotage.

Renuncing his religious faith on January  2, 1786, he then married Marie Dépau on February 20, and legitimized  his son Joseph-François‘ birth, born on January 1784.

With this is mind I started looking a little more and stumbled on this amazing Website where the name Lizotte was mentioned. I got more curious and I found that Antoine Lizotte’s ancestors were among the 13 Rivière-Ouelle’s heroes.

This little step back in time opened a new door  for more interesting facts about some of our ancestors like my cousin Dennis Lagasse who now has roots going back to Charlemagne!

I don’t know if Dennis is reading this… or his father?

Sometimes…

Sometimes someone writes a comment on my other blog about genealogy.

Bonjour M. Lagacé,

Je débute la généalogie et j’ai quelque peu de difficultés à me retrouver dans tout cela. Je suis née à Montréal et mon père Yvan Frobe vient de la région de Mont-Joli. Je sais que nous sommes de descendance allemande (ce que j’ai pu retenir des cours d’histoire de mon père dans mon jeune âge), mais je sais aussi que mon père disait que le nom Frobe avait été modifié – qu’ il y aurait eu une sorte de scission pour Freve ou quelque chose du genre. – Mon grand-père Wilfred Frobe était le fils d’Obeline Ross et d’Alphonse George Frobe dont le mariage fut célébré le 28 juillet 1887 à Ste Flavie – il était semble-t-il le fils de François Frobe et d’Honorine Langlais ou Langlois qui s’était épousé en 1856 à Cacouna. Semble-t-il que mon arrière grand-père portait le nom de Freve??? et qu’il avait un demi-frère Gédéon –
Je sais que les Frobe ne sont pas chose courante au Québec, mais mon père a terminé je crois la lignée car nous ne sommes que des filles et le frère de mon grand-père, Fortunat Frobe, a lui aussi eu des filles seulement.

Pourriez-vous m’indiquer vers quel endroit orienté mes recherches afin de faire un voyage au pays de mes ancêtres?

Vous pouvez me répondre à l’adresse courriel…

Je vous remercie de l’attention que vous apporterez à ma demande et merci à l’avance de m’aider dans ce beau méli-mélo.

It opens new doors to link people who are related but don’t know it.

When they can’t read French, I am not able to share what I have found.

This is why I have been writing this English version since 2009.

Call it addiction if you want.

Next time, are you related to François Frobe? 

François Froebe, fils de l’archiduc Germain Froebe et de Louise Rupelle, est né en 1759 à Mulhausen en Alsace. Enrôlé de force dans le régiment d’Anhalt, il réussit avec quatre compagnons dont Dickner, Phristern et Hurst à fuir la frégate Delight ancrée près de Rivière-Ouelle en 1780.

Recueilli par Antoine Lizotte, il s’engage chez Joseph Francoeur, cultivateur de Sainte-Anne-de-la-Pocatière et par la suite s’engage sur le bateau de Jean-Baptiste Pelletier qui fait du cabotage sur le fleuve Saint-Laurent.

Abjurant le 2 janvier 1786, il épouse Marie Dépau le 20 février suivant et reconnaît son fils, Joseph-François, né le 10 janvier 1784.

Gettysburg July 3rd, 1863, a Time to Remember the Fallen

Many soldiers died at Gettysburg.

One of them was Jude Newcity, Calista’s son. This is what I found during my search for Calista’s identity.

I thought posting this was important.

Jude’s Service Record:

Enlisted as a Private on 11 September 1862 at the age of 18.

Enlisted in Company G, 13th Infantry Regiment Vermont on 10 October 1862.

Killed Company G, 13th Infantry Regiment Vermont on 3 July 1863 at Gettysburg, PA. Burial spot unknown.

Birth: 1844

Enosburg

Franklin County

Vermont, USA

Death: July 3, 1863

Pennsylvania, USA

Sources for the above information:

– Roster of Vermont Volunteers During the War of the Rebellion 1861-66, (1892)

– History of the 13th Vermont Volunteers, (1910)

– These Honored Dead: The Union Casualties at Gettysburg, (Longstreet House, 1988)

History:

JUDE NEWCITY was born in the town of Enosburg in 1844, volunteered under President Lincoln’s call for 300,000 nine months’ men and joined Company G, 13th Vt. Vols., Infantry.

He was a mere lad and hardly ever had been away from home for a single night before enlistment. A green country boy, pure in thought, chaste in speech and modest in demeanor, correct in his habits, and diligent in the pursuit of knowledge as to his new duties as a soldier. Too young for the hardships of camp and march and the awful scenes and carnage of the battlefield. He was anxious to join the army and fight for the Union. He inherited patriotic devotion for the land that stood for liberty and freedom. He comprehended beyond his years the wicked and dastardly motives of those who sought to destroy the Union of States and establish the barbarous and inhuman institution of American slavery throughout the land.

None of the boys of company G rejoiced more, when President Lincoln sent forth his Emancipation Proclamation. He was now more anxious than ever with all his mind, strength and devotion to fight for his home and overnment. After he enquired of his officers and comrades if we should conquer General Lee’s army. Not one of the boys of Company G were more faithful, obedient and courteous than Comrade Newcity. He was a good boy, soldier, brave, conscientious and true with innocent faith and abiding confidence that all would come out for the best. He often spoke of home and the loved ones he left behind and with affectionate manifestations spoke of the prospect of reunion when the war was over. He seemed to think one great battle would end the conflict and that was near at hand. On the march to Gettysburg he frequently said we will have a mighty battle and then the war will be over. To this boy soldier I became strongly attached and sincerely hoped he might be safely returned to home and schoolmates and friends. I could not bear the thought that such should be sacrificed on the field of battle.

On the second day of the battle after the charge when we retook our cannon that General Longstreet’s men had captured cheerfully said, “We shall win the day and then for home.”

He was killed the following day, July 3rd, 1863.

Source: History of the 13th Regiment Vermont Volunteers

Burial:

Non-Cemetery Burial

Specifically: Died in battle at Gettysburg, Pa

Burial unknown.

Jude Newcity never knew his roots. Two of his ancestors were soldiers: Mathurin Villeneuve with the Carignan-Salières regiment, in 1665, who fought the Iroquois, and Jacques Aveline with the Berry regiment, in 1760, who fought the British at the Battle of Sainte-Foy.

Only a few remembered Jude Newcity who left no descendants to honor his memory.

Burial unknown!

Source

This is why I thought posting this was important. 

Jacques Avelines, one of Susan’s Ancestor

Do you remember how this amazing story started…?

Calista Who?

That’s the only thing we had and a few notes Susan had written about Calista.

Calista Who was in fact Colette Aveline and Edward Newcity was Édouard Villeneuve.

Colette’s ancestor was Jacques Avelines who was a soldier who took part in the last battle of Quebec.

Jacques Avelines was a soldier with the Berry Regiment.

Everything Susan would want to know about her ancestor Jacques Avelines, the Seven Years’ War and the battles of 1759 and 1760 is here.

Jacques Avelines was at the battle of Sainte-Foy.

He survived the battle and he stayed in New France.

Jacques Avelines married Madeleine Asselin on November 10, 1760.

After, the rest is history…

Epilog…

Susan sent me this on Sunday morning.

It’s the parish record of the marriage of Jean-Baptiste Aveline and Marie Végiard dite Labonté I was looking for.

They got married on 15 September, 1800, at Notre-Dame-du-Rosaire church in St-Hyacinthe, Quebec, Canada.

Susan sent me this on Monday morning.

On August 3rd, 1818, little Scholastique St-Jules was born…

She died on June 25th, 1890…

Her memory will live forever