Catch Me if You Can: Closing Chapter Young Myra Alexandre

Yesterday I posted something unintentionally.

Really!

It was a draft article about two sisters and how I found out who they were after a two-year search…

I had kept it in store for the right occasion to post it on the blog.

sisters

Having posted it by mistake, I have decided to follow-up on this unintentional post.

Since I won’t be posting anything new on this blog until next September, unless some of Arthur LaGasa’s descendants come forward, I have decided to reblog some old posts so new readers can see the scope of all the research I have done since September 2009 when I started to write this English version of my blog about genealogy.

This story is quite similar to the story of Delia Roch or Delia Roche that we think is on this old picture…

Eliza Jane Wilson

Koeni LaGasa started the whole thing.

Really!

I had nothing to do about it.

I think this woman is Delia, but I am not 100% sure, not even 50%, not even 25%.

Being 25% sure is just half the fun of searching for lost ancestors…

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I don’t believe in spirits, ghosts nor do I believe in reincarnation.

Well maybe spirits… and I can keep an open mind on reincarnation.

young Myra Alexandre

Myra Alexandre died in 1958 when I was 10 years old.

I have never met her. Myra was living in the United States and I was living in Montreal in 1958.

Myra Alexandre and William Archambeault

22 October 1902

I had heard when I was a child that my grandfather Léo Lagacé Senior once had lived in the U.S.

That was the only link between Myra and I.

I did not know Myra had ever existed before 2010 when my third cousin Sandy first contacted me on Ancestry. Since then I have found almost everything about Myra’s life, even met one of her grandsons and had breakfast with him.

So this is the closing chapter of young Myra Alexandre. 

Joe had this cabinet card in his collection when I met him last September. Joe and I went on a scanning frenzy.

Sandy had the same picture of Myra in her collection in 2010. We did not know it was her at that time.

We had few clues.

This is why we had called this young woman Bristol late 1890s.

Sandy had also these.

Phoebe (Flavie) Alexandre Lestage and Myra Alexandre Archambault

I first thought the picture of Myra was that of either Malvina Lagasse or Lillie Lagasse, my grandfather’s sisters.

Boy was I wrong!

I have come a long way since 2010 haven’t I. 

Look at those eyes…

Myra Alexandre 1877-1958

Frank Archambeault (the grandson I had breakfast with) told me his grandmother had quite a strong character.

He did not have to tell me.

Frank  also told me about little Raymond, Myra’s first child.

When Frank, Joe and I visited St. Joseph cemetery I did not know little Raymond Archambeault was resting in peace beside his daughter Marian.

Marian died when she was only 12.

Little Raymond must have been devastated by her death.

I know I would have been.

Myra Alexandre died in 1958 at the age of 81. Marian was four years old. Myra probably played with her granddaughter Marian sometimes like I do with my two grandchildren.

I love to play with my grandchildren probably like Stanislas Lagacé  seen here with his grandchildren Marie Rose Elmira and Harvey Lagasse when they were young.

I don’t believe in reincarnation, but if I did, I think I am the reincarnation of Grandpa Lagassy…

Just a thought.

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Now you know why I am addicted to old pictures and why I am trying to identify who is this young woman from the past, part of Joe’s collection of old pictures…

unknown young lady

and why I am so interested in that man… a deep sea diver in Alaska,

unknown maybe Joe

and finding all the excuses in the world to keep writing this blog…

Happy New Year Dear Descendants…

Back in  2010, Joe was only a virtual relative of mine.

He sent me this picture via e-mail he had of Marguerite Alexandre. She was Henriette Alexandre’s sister.

Marguerite Alexandre 1836-1897

Marguerite Alexandre is part of Joe’s very long list of ancestors.

That picture is as close as I can get to have a picture of Henriette Alexandre who is my great-grandmother married to Dennis Lagasse II, our superstar ancestor on this blog.

Dennis Lagasse II

Stanislas Lagacé 1842-1927

This is Henriette’s file on my Ancestry family tree.


I am very lucky photo wise because I have pictures of all my 8 great-grandparents. All except Henriette’s photograph.

Pierre Lagacé tree

I am still waiting…, but I am very patient. We have to be when we look for our ancestors.

I know all about Henriette Alexandre: she had 13 children.

Six were still living in 1900. That’s what the 1900 U.S. census said.

famille Lagacé 1900

Thank God for Censuses.

I knew when she was born thanks to the image of her baptisimal act found on Family Search.

6 April 1845 Henriette Alexandre

Thank God for Family Search.

I did not know when she died until I found out Joe had found out a way back then and thought I knew.

I didn’t…

Click here.

Henriette’s sister, Marguerite Alexandre, is Joe’s great-great-grandmother which makes us bonafide third cousins.

Joe told me back in 2010 he could use all the living cousins he could get.

I think I could also…

I have visited Joe twice since 2010.

Together we visited cemeteries to find the resting place of Dennis and Henriette. First in September 2011. I wrote about these little outings here and here.

In 2011, we visited again the same cemeteries bringing another cousin of ours who was also looking for his ancestors’ graves. We had our share of senior moments.

Just couldn’t find the headstones…

Last Sunday, while visiting Joe’s family tree on Ancestry, I found out he had put these images he had found on the Internet.

Emmanuel Therien, Joe’s great-great-great-grandfather…

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Emmanuel Therien 1800-1886

Gilbert Therien, Joe’s great-great-grandfather… 


headstone Gilbert Therien

And Marguerite Alexandre Therien, Joe’s great-great-grandmother…

headstone Marguerite Alexandre

Thank God for finding our ancestors’ headstones even though sometimes the inscriptions are a bit off. Marguerite was born on August 11, 1836 and Gilbert was born on May 7, 1837.

May they rest in peace from now on. I know they will always be with us as long as we live.

Happy New Year Dear Descendants…

You can pass this message along to relatives who might be interested

This is a way to tell people to share what I know about their ancestors if they don’t share the same passion about genealogy as I do.

You can pass this message along to relatives who might be interested

I try not to be the pushy type.

Sharing a passion without asking anything in return is pretty strange isn’t?

Sometimes you have to jump in and see what lies underneath like the wealth of information I have gathered since 2007 in my family tree:

27016 people

2149 photos

Pretty awesome indeed.

Judy knows what I am taking about. I have been able to find her Moquin lineage as well as her Dubé lineage, and her Giguere lineage.

Now, do you remember this picture Judy sent?

Judy is the one who unknowingly guided me to some of Lillie Lagasse’s descendants when she sent me this picture.

Or is it Aurelia who is guiding her?

I just hope I won’t be scaring these new descendants away with all this passion and all those cemetery headstones!

Aurilie Moquin

Aurélie Dubé has been resting in peace since 1920 in St. Thomas cemetery.

Take a closer look.

Closer…

AURILIE MOQUIN

Né le 12 Juillette 1889
 Morte le 30 janvier 1920
Age le 30 ans

Judy sent me this picture a few weeks ago, but since she can’t read French, she asked me to translate.

The headstone should read…

AURÉLIE MOQUIN

Née le 12 Juillet 1889 
morte le 30 janvier 1920

à l’âge de 30 ans

Even though there are some typos, we are able to understand who is buried there.

AURÉLIE MOQUIN

Born July 12 1889
Died January 30 janvier 1920
at the age of 30

But…

Moquin is her married name! Aurilie is in fact Aurélie Dubé, daughter of Napoléon Dubé and Mary Emmons (Émond?).

Napoleon fathered four  children: Aurelia, Arthur, Laura and Lillian. Mary died and Napoleon remarried in 1899 Pamela, maiden name unknown. They had a daughter Catherine.

Napoleon and Pamela are buried next to Aurelia, but not Mary.

Where is Mary Emmons buried?

Most probably in the same cemetery as my great-grandparents Dennis Lagasse and Harriet Alexander who are in fact Stanislas Lagacé 1842-1927 and Henriette Alexandre 1845-1907. Their headstones are yet to be found.

This might seems trivial to someone reading this unless you know I knew nothing about my grandfather’s parents back in 2007 and started to write about it in 2009 on this blog.

As a footnote to all this…

Do you remember…?

Hi,
I have been working on my family tree since 2007. found your name in your mother’s obituary yesterday as I was searching for Dubé relatives. The Dubés are related to my Lagacé lineage. Your father George was the son of Lillie Lagasse who was my grandfather’s sister. I have all the Lagacé lineage as well as the Dubé lineage. You can contact me if you want. I also have pictures of Lillie’s siblings and her father Stanislas Lagacé (Dennis Lagasse) who emigrated to the U.S. in  1889.
You can pass this message along to relatives who might be interested.

Well I have a found myself a new first cousin interested in genealogy.

Closing Chapter: Young Myra Alexandre

I don’t believe in spirits, ghosts nor do I believe in reincarnation.

Well maybe spirits…

But I can keep an open mind.

Myra died in 1958 when I was 10 years old.

I never met Myra Alexandre. She was living in the United States and I was living in Montreal. I had heard that my grandfather once had lived in the U.S. That was the only link.

I did not know Myra had ever existed before 2010 when my third cousin Sandy first contacted me on this blog. Since then I have found almost everything about Myra’s life.

So this is the closing chapter.

This is young Myra Alexandre.

 

Joe had this cabinet card in his collection when I met him last September. Sandy had the same picture in her collection in 2010.

We had few clues then… this is why we had called this young woman Bristol late 1890s. Sandy had also these.

Flavie Alexandre and Myra Alexandre

I first thought the picture of Myra was that of either Malvina Lagasse or Lillie Lagasse, my grandfather’s sisters.

I have come a long way since 2010 haven’t I. 

Look at those eyes…

Myra Alexandre 1877-1958

Frank Archambeault told me his grandmother had quite a strong character.

He did not have to tell me.

Frank  also told me about little Raymond, Myra’s first child.

When Frank, Joe and I visited St. Joseph cemetery I did not know little Raymond Archambeault was resting in peace beside his daughter Marian.

Marian died when she was only 12.

Little Raymond must have been devastated by her death.

I know I would have been.

Myra Alexandre died in 1958 at the age of 81. Marian was four years old.

Myra probably played with her granddaughter Marian sometimes like I do with my two grandchildren Théo and Iris.

I love to play with my grandchildren probably like Stanislas Lagacé  seen here with his grandchildren Marie Rose Elmira and Harvey Lagasse when they were young.

 I don’t believe in reincarnation, but if I did, I think I am the reincarnation of Grandpa Lagassy…

Just a thought.

Senior Moments

I did not know that expression until I visited Joe…

I had a lot of senior moments during my trip to Connecticut trying to remember some of the names while I was visiting cemeteries with Joe and Frank.

We visited St. Thomas and St. Joseph cemeteries if I remember the names correctly.

As usual I took a lot of pictures.

You never know when these will help in further research.

We started first at St. Thomas cemetery which I had visited last year.

Frank Archambeault was looking for some of his ancestors buried there, but he could not find any headstones that would lead him to them. I took this picture where some of his ancestors would be buried.

My great-grandfather Dennis Lagasse (1842-1927) and his father Stanislas Lagacé (1816-1900) have to be also buried at St. Joseph’s, but I only found two of Dennis Lagasse’s sons’ headstones:

Stanislas Lagassey… who died in 1922.

And Anthony Lagasse… who died in 1934.

William, one of Anthony’s son, died in 1918, but he is not buried there. In fact nobody could ever find his burial place.

Even if I had senior moments while visiting the cemeteries, I can never forget how, when, and where William Lagasse died.

Click here to know where he might be buried. 

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Next time, more on this story.

Robert Lagasse

Robert was born in 1880.

I don’t think he did anything extraordinary in his life.  At least nothing about him on the Internet. I did not find him any descendants.

Robert was the son of Joseph Lagasse and Edwina Newcity.

You see where I am going don’t you.

Robert was Dennis Lagasse II’s nephew. I probably have a picture of Robert, Edwina or Joseph in my collection of unidentified ancestors.

Maybe they will never be identified.

Robert Lagasse is the one who guided me to the Newcity family while I was looking for my great-grandfather’s siblings.

Robert guided me to his parents’ headstone.

Then this headstone led me to Calista’s headstone.

Edwina is a direct descendant of Mathurin Villeneuve.

This is a text from the Villeneuve family association. It’s in French.

Mathurin Villeneuve

Un des ancêtres des Villeneuve d’Amérique


Mathurin Villeneuve est le fils de Mathieu et de Jeanne Chauchet. Il fut baptisé le 17 décembre 1645 à Ste-Marie de Ré, petit village sur l’Ile de Ré près de Larochelle, France. Il fut nommé ainsi comme son arrière-grand-père et son grand-père. Il a une soeur Marguerite.

Les parents de Mathurin n’étaient pas très riches d’après les actes notariés que l`on a pu retrouvés. Mathieu a dû à plusieurs reprises hypothèquer et vendre plusieurs terres et vignobles. Mathurin se fait tonnelier tout comme sont père. Peu satisfait de son sort, il signe un contrat d’engagement le 31 mars 1665 à Larochelle, et s’engage comme soldat du Régiment de Carignan à vivre en Nouvelle-France pour une durée de trois ans. Il arrive à Québec sur le navire le Cat le 18 juin 1665.On retrouve ensuite Mathurin à travailler chez Simon Denys, Sieur de la Trinité. Il travaille sur une des plus grandes terres de l’époque. Elle comptait plus de 100 arpents. Mathurin ne restait pas éternellement chez le Sieur de la Trinité. En effet, on le retrouve chez le notaire Gilles Rajeot le 18 août 1668 où il s’engage à travailler un an chez Jean Lemarché.Mathurin devait être un brave homme car Marguerite, la fille de Jean Lemarché et de Catherine Hurault, alors âgée que de douze ans lui fut donnée en mariage. Il était très courant à cette époque pour les jeunes filles de se marier très jeune et de faire partie de mariage que l’on dit “arrangé” mais à certaines conditions.

Le 30 juillet 1669 le sujet est sérieux chez les Lemarché car le Notaire Paul Vachon va dresser le contrat de mariage. Plusieurs témoins sont présents dont Pierre Chalet, boucher à Québec, Marie Bonin, Jean LeNormand, Jean Tiberge et bien d’autres. Sur le contrat voici ce que l’on y lit:
” En faveur duquel mariage le père et la mère de la dîtes épouse lui donneront en avancement d’hoirie en meubles de la somme de milles livres trésor qui consiste en terre labourable et autre biens. Les dîtes parties ce sont convenues que le dit Mathurin Villeneufve et sa dîtes épouse Marguerite demeuront avec les parents pendant trois ans consécutifs.”

Finalement, le mariage fut célébré le 26 novembre 1669 à l’Église Notre-Dame de Québec. Le prêtre Henri de Bernière donna la bénédiction nuptiale.

La petite mariée était bien jeune et cet arrangement lui permettait de s’initier peu à peu a ses devoirs d’épouse sous la conduite de sa mère. Cet arrangement a dû bien allé car une cédule fut ajoutée au contrat de mariage. On y lit que Mathurin reconnaît avoir reçu de son beau-père la somme de 500 livres tournois, devant deux témoins le 3 janvier 1672.

Après avoir demeuré trois ans chez ses beaux-parents, on retrouve Mathurin le 23 juin 1672 encore une fois chez le notaire Paul Vachon, mais cette fois pour recevoir une concession par le révérend père Jésuite Guillaume Mathieu procureur du Collège de la compagnie de Jésus de Québec. Il reçoit une terre de 40 arpents dans la Seigneurie Notre-Dame-des-Anges au dit lieu du Bourg de Charlesbourg à Gros-Pin, plus connu sous les lots 708-709-710. L’acquéreur s’engage à faire moudre son grain au moulin Banal des dits Révérends Pères Jésuites et à payer la taxe seigneuriale du temps.

Avec l’aide de parents et amis, une maison voit le jour en 1672. La maison qui fut construite pièce sur pièce mesure (Inventaire des biens 17 août 1711 Duprac) 38 pieds x 17 pieds de large. On y retrouve aussi une grange de 40 pieds de long x 20 pieds de large, plus une étable de 20 pieds tous érigés à Gros-Pin. Au cours des années, Mathurin reçoit une autre concession des Jésuites au Trait-Carré et il achète aussi plusieurs terres.

Ses propriétés foncières sont alors considérables. Au recensement de 1681, Mathurin Villeneuve et sa famille possède 1 fusil, 5 bêtes a cornes et 5 arpents en valeur.

En tout le couple Villeneuve-Lemarché eurent douze enfants dont un couple de jumeaux. Malheureusement, seulement quatre de leurs enfants contracteront mariage, les autres étant décédés en bas âge:

  • Marie Jeanne qui épouse Etienne Bédard et en secondes noces Simon Contois;
  • Charles quant à lui épouse Marie Renée Allard le 7 mai 1703 à Charlesbourg;
  • Jacques épouse Anne Chalifour le 26 novembre 1708 à Charlesbourg;
  • Marie Anne quant à elle épouse un Anglais Claude Thomas Bigaouette le 15 novembre 1706 à Charlesbourg. Claude Thomas est un ancien prisonnier anglais.

Marguerite Lemarché décéda le 9 avril 1711 à l’Hôtel-Dieu de Québec. Elle fut inhumée le 10 avril à Gros-Pin.

Le 13 mai 1712 devant le notaire Noël Duprac, Mathurin Villeneuve partage sa terre entre ses fils. Jean-Baptiste célibataire, le plus jeune, reçoit sept perches et demie et la terre au Trait-Carré de Charlesbourg au bout du dit Trait-de L’Auvergne en deux autres parties à ses deux autres fils. Charles reçoit la partie plus au nord où il fit construire une maison et vécu tandis que Jacques reçu la partie la plus au sud.

Jacques et son épouse habitent avec Mathurin Villeneuve. Le 22 juin 1711, Mathurin Villeneuve leur fait une donation. Ils ont le devoir de le loger, de le nourrir et de l’entretenir jusqu’au jour de son décès. Jacques est tenu de faire inhumer le corps de son père selon les rites de l’Église Catholique Romaine et de faire célébrer cinquante basses messes de Requiem pour le repos de son âme et dix autres pour sa mère. Mathurin décéda le 10 juillet 1715 et fut inhumé le lendemain.

On retrouve des descendants de l’ancêtre Mathurin Villeneuve partout en Amérique dont les plus célébres sont sûrement Gilles et Jacques Villeneuve pilotes de Formule 1, et aussi le contreversé Cardinal Jean Marie Rodrigue Villeneuve. On retrouve encore de nombreux Villeneuve de nos jours à Charlesbourg. Certains possèdent encore la terre ancestrale de leur ancêtre. Les familles Villeneuve de Charlesbourg sont majoritairement toutes issues de Charles Villeneuve, le fils de Mathurin, tandis que la plupart des descendants de Jacques se sont étendus partout de Montréal à l’Outaouais et aux États-Unis.

 

An interesting information, Mathurin Villeneuve came from Île de Ré, the same place as my ancestor André Mignier.

Both were Carignan regiment soldiers.

Source: L’Association de la famille Villeneuve
 

Click here for a text in English about Mathurin.

Edited version for Susan…

Mathurin before arriving in Quebec city

The register for the year 1665 of the notary Pierre Teuleron contains 73 engagement contracts specifying embarkation on the ship “Cat of Hollande”. Those contracts were taken by Mister Debien and published in the “La revue d’Amerique francaise”. The name of Mathurin appears on one of the contracts signed on 31 Mar 1665.

The Cat of Holland is a ship of 200 barrels belonging to Albert Cornelis Kadt. Armed by Alexandre Petit, it lay up from La Rochelle at the end of April 1665, under the command of Charles Babin. After a stop at the port of call of Dieppe, it stops in Gaspé. Soldiers from the Antilles, on the Le Brézé, under the command of Mister de Tracy, embark on boarding order to rally Quebec and join the troops of the Regiment de Carignan, The Cat of Holland arrives in Quebec on June 18, 1665.

Mathurin’s life in Quebec city

Mathurin arrived in Quebec City on June 18, 1665, at the age of 19. On the Beauport census, Mathurin is registered as a barrel maker at Simon Denis. In 1667, Mathurin is 25 years old, still at Simon Denis. Before being given land of his own. He had to show proof of his good conduct and ability to work the land by being trained at a Colonist, older than he was. At the farm, located near Quebec, on the Notre-Dame des Anges Hill, in the part which later would be called Charlesbourg, he did his apprenticeship of the forest and the Canadian soil, he handled the ax to cut trees and burrowed the virgin soil. The owner of this land was Sieur de la Trinité and the most important of the new France in that period because it consisted of more than 100 acres. Saint-Denis, Sieur de la Trinité, Squire counsellor at the supreme council of Quebec, was owned by the French Nobility from Tours and established in 1650 at Beauport. Widowed by Jeanne Du Breuil, he married, Francoise Dutartre, in a second marriage. Many children were born from these two marriages.

In the 1666 Census, we find Mathurin Villeneuve attached to the family of Simon Denys de la Trinité. His profession is mentioned as being that of a barrel maker that he had probably acquired from his Rhétaise childhood, paired with that of farming. In the 1667 Census we find him still working on this land. Three other young men lived in Simon Denys’ house to get initiated, like him to the clearing of land for tillage. They were, 25 year old Francois Meunier of Bourgogne, Robert Laporte 30 years old and Jean Rasset, 22 years old from Rouen. In the surroundings of Sieur de la Trinité and consequently Mathurin Villeneuve, arrived Lille who also bore the title of Sieur Descormier who married Renée Desportes in 1664, a fellow-countrywoman of the young Villeneuve who came like him from Ile-de-Ré, in the parish of St-Étienne D’Ars. Let us mention also the Lemarché family, Sieurs des Roches, with three children, the oldest being Marguerite aged 10 years old in 1667 who will become the future wife of Mathurin Villeneuve.

Consequently, Mathurin will not stay forever at le Sieur de la Triniti. The farmer, Jean Lemarché, being the next door neighbor, made Mathurin an offer that pleased him on August 18, 1668. In front of the notary Gilles Rajeot, in Quebec, where he pledges to work for a year at Jean Lemarché.

The Lemarché family, must have thought that Mathurin was a brave man, because less than two years after working for the Lemarché family, he was offered Marguerite Lemarché in marriage, who at the time, was not twelve years old. Marguerite’s mother, Catherine Hurault had also married young, only 14 years old, with Jean Lemarché on the 18th of October 1654. Consequently, on July 30, 1670, there was a big reunion of parents and friends in Jean Lemarché’s home. The subject was serious because Maitre le Vachon would write a marriage contract. At this reunion, we find Jean Lemarché and his wife Catherine Hurault, Pierre Chalat, who was the butcher in Quebec, his wife Marie Bonin, also, Jean LeNormand from Quebec and Jean Tiberge from Charlesbourg. They are Marguerite and Mathurin’s witnesses. The Vachon notary also lists the names of the known Maitre Arrivé de Lille, Robert Laporte and Jean Rasset. Here is an interesting clause of this marriage contract “In favor of the said marriage, the father and mother of the said wife will give her a dowry of furnitures, buildings of the amount of one thousand treasure pounds that consist in farm land, house, barn, animals and other furniture”. We can also read “that the said parties have convened that the said Mathurin Villeneuve and his future bride Marguerite Lemarché will live with her parents (Jean and Catherine) for three consecutive years”. The little bride was so young, she had to approve this arrangement that permitted her to initiate herself to her tasks under the guidance of her mother. It must have went well, because a mention was added in the contract.

Mathurin acknowledged before two witnesses on January 3, 1672 to have received from his father-in-law the amount of 500 tournois. The marriage ceremony was celebrated four months later, on November 26, 1670. They probably waited for the young bride to reach her 12th birthday. It is M. Henri de Bernière who gave them the nuptial benediction in the Notre-Dame Parish in Quebec. Having lived three years with his in-laws, we find Mathurin again at the Notary (Paul Vachon) on June 23, 1672 but this time for land that he bought from the Pere Jesuites. On the notarised contract, we read “3 front acres on the road from Quebec to Charlesbourg, bound on one side by the concession of Nicolas Denis and other sides of the land of the village of St-Hierosine said la Petite Auvergne on one side of the large road of Charlesbourg and the other end to the land conceded, said Gros-Pin”. It seemed customary in that period that neighbors and friends helped with the construction of buildings and houses as was the case for Mathurin on the construction of his house before the winter of 1672/73. A very solid house build with strong Canadian wood who will house the couple with their future children.