Alyce, Sweet Alyce: Redux

Not another redux post again!

Don’t worry, I won’t post more than one post a week for the time being on this blog. I don’t want to confuse you with the Cayos from Wisconsin.

I wrote this post before Steve Myers found out all about Chrétien Lemaire who deserted his post in 1780.

Steve added this interesting comment yesterday.

I can’t say I’m surprised he deserted. We Myers’ have always been too independent for our own good!

Steve Myers has some catching up to do on this blog, but I don’t want him to read all the 629 posts I wrote since September 2009.

At first I was a little bit afraid that I might have scared him away from all this research I have done on his Myers ancestors.

This post was to have been sort of a starter so Steve would have known that I am not a crazy Canuck hooked on genealogy who is trying to find rich relatives in the U.S. or sell him coffee mugs with his ancestors’ coat-of-arms.

coat of arms 1

This was the story I wrote of Alyce LaGasse’s quest for her ancestors.

I wrote it in 2010. The story is quite amazing and I am still pinching myself when I think about it. Alyce is also pinching herself and she is sometimes flummoxed by all the research I have done.

Alyce was the first distant cousin in the U.S. to find me. Strangely enough Alyce is also a third cousin once removed like Steve, and she is not scared a bit.

Start reading Alyce Sweet Alyce…

This is no horror story…

In fact I don’t like watching horror movies.

“Sweet Alice”, that’s what I called her, reminded of something so I checked on the Internet just to be sure.You find a lot of things on the Internet… like my blog on genealogy.

Alyce has won the jackpot and she won big.


In my search for descendants of my great-great-grandfather Stanislas Lagacé, I had found a brother, Pierre Lagacé, who had married Marcelline David.

Tammy Middleton and Alyce LaGasse were the only two persons to ask for help in finding their roots.

Pierre Lagacé, born in 1825, was their common ancestor. Tammy was looking for family ties with this unknown chef.


Alyce is the granddaughter of Idala Lagacé who was also known as Idala Lagassé, Idala Lagossi and Idola Lagasse.

Both Idala and Ambroise were Pierre Lagacé’s and Marcelline David’s sons. Idala was Alyce’s grandfather and Ambroise was Tammy’s children’s great-great-grandfather.

Tammy never returned my e-mails, but Alyce was all excited.

Oh my goodness… what a surprise to find a follow-up – yes, even if I discovered this 6 months later and the post was . . . 10 years ago.

My interest is renewed – I do have relatives somewhere!

Yes, as per your blog, I am alive :) :) and would love to know more.


Pierre Lagacé (we share the same given name) married Marcelline David on February 4, 1850 in Notre-Dame-des-Anges church in Notre-Dame-de-Stanbridge, a small picturesque village in Missisquoi county just north of Lake Champlain.

Notre-Dame-des-Anges Church built in 1893

I knew all about Idala Lagasse with the help of parish records and censuses. It was so easy to find Alyce’s ancestors.

1871 Canadian Census

Name: Idola Lagassé
Gender: Male
Age in years: 1
Estimated birth year: 1870
Birthplace: Quebec
Marital status:
Origin (Ancestry): Francaise
Religion: Catholique
Census place: 02, Stanbridge i, Missisquoi 125, Quebec

1901 Canadian Census


Lagossi Idala     M Head          M  Mar 1     1870     31
Lagossi Albina     F Wife          M  Mar 24     1872     29
Lagossi Rose     F Daughter    S  Jan 1     1894     7
Lagossi Parmilias     F Daughter    S  Dec 3     1894     6

1920 U.S. Census

Name: Idala A Lagasse
Residence: Part Of Precinct 9 New Bedford Part Of Ward 3, Bristol, Massachusetts
Estimated birth year: 1871
Age in years: 49
Birthplace: Canada
Relationship to head-of-household: Self
Gender: Male
Race or color (on document): White
Marital status: Widowed

But I had no pictures to show her!

Alyce told me she had a picture of Idala with his sons.

I just couldn’t wait to see how he looked.


Back in 2010, Alyce LaGasse knew nothing about her Lagacé roots.

She started looking for old pictures she once thought throwing away in the garbage.

She looked and looked and looked. And Alyce found them and shared everything so other descendants of Idala Lagasse might one day find this blog and see how their ancestors looked like.

Idala 1930

Idala Lagasse

Identification of Idala's sons

Idala’s five sons

band of brothers

Idala’s five sons

Idola & Fils012

Idala and four of his five sons

So now Steve, you should know me better.

I wish I had a beautiful picture of the church where Julien Myers and Agnès Lagacé were married on July 13, 1869 instead of this one built in 1893.

Stanbridge 2008 062

I would have wished you had old pictures of people you know nothing about. I would have been a great help in finding who was who.

Is your name Cayo?

I wonder if I should write about the Cayos?

I don’t like to confuse people with all my ancestors.

Do you have ancestors who once lived in Colchester, Vermont in the 1800s? In Massachusetts? In Wisconsin?

Want to know more?

Of course you do…

Strangely enough I found this in my search for my Cadieux ancestors.

The Hayward Republican July 28, 1904

Mr. and Mrs. Anton Cayo celebrated the 50th anniversary of their wedding on Saturday, July 16, at their home. General invitations were issued, and a large number of their old-time friends assembled to wish them much joy and happiness on the occasion. A very interesting evening was spent listening to the reminiscences of their early days in Hayward. Their dwelling house was the first to be built in this city on this side of the river–in 1883.

Mr. and Mrs. Cayo were married in Manitowoc county, this state, July 16, 1854. Here their twelve children were born, ten of whom still are living, namely: Joe V., James, Mrs. CF Searle, Edward, John, William, George, Mrs. Dan McQuarry, Mrs. IC Phillips, Oma. Ira, one of the deceased children, is well-remembered by the people of Hayward.

Mr. Cayo at one time served with AJ Hayward on the county board and took a very active part in the upbuilding of Hayward. He was born March 19, 1927, and is now 77 years old. Mrs. Cayo is 70 years of age. Beyond a doubt, they are the oldest and longest-resident couple in the county.

They were the recipients of many presents, among them a purse of gold coin given them by our citizens.

Refreshments were served, and all wish to see them live to celebrate their 75th anniversary.

The Hayward Republican Nov. 5, 1914

Another Pioneer Called to Rest
Antone Cayo, One of the City’s Earliest Settlers Here Passes Away at Extreme age of 89; Death Comes Peacefully

Closely Connected with City’s Early History

Again we are called upon to chronicle the deah of an early settler. This time it is Antone Cayo, one of the earliest settlers in Hayward. Death occurred Saturday evening at 12:30. He had retired on Friday evening and did not wake up except for a few moments on Saturday. he was in no pain and died very peacefully, infirmities incident to old age being the cause of his death. At his bedside at the time were his wife, son Oma, daughter, Mrs. D. McQuarry, daughter-in-law Mrs. Oma Cayo and son-in-law, I.C. Phillips.

The source of that information is here.

I wonder if I should write about the Cayos and confuse you once again?

You would be surprised to find out where the Cayo name originated from and what you can find on Find A Grave.

Lodell Cayo 1943


Or on Family Search…

Lodell Cayo 1943 death

We are never sure…

How can we be sure about something that happened 234 years ago?

Was Chrétien Lemaire really in North Carolina in September 1780?

Chrétien was part of Creuzbourg’s Jäger Corps.

This is what I found on that unit.


Creuzbourg’s Jäger Corps (Jäger-Corps von Creuzbourg) was an independent Jäger battalion raised by the county of Hesse-Hanau and put to the disposition of the British Crown, as part of the German Allied contingent during the American Revolutionary War. The corps fought at the Battle of Oriskany, although mostly serving as garrison of different Canadian posts.

Chrétien Lemaire

Is the file on Chrétien Lemaire valid?

More excerpt..

The Hesse-Hanau contingent arrived to Canada in the summer of 1777 and became part of General Burgoyne’s army that after the Battle of Saratoga became American prisoners of war. Creuzbourg’s Jäger Corps, however, escaped defeat and imprisonment, as it was to be a part of Barry St. Leger‘s western offensive during the Saratoga Campaign. Due to the slowness of wilderness travel, only one of the Corp’s companies arrived in time to participate in this campaign. This single company made, however, a significant contribution to the American defeat at the Battle of Oriskany. The remaining companies did not join St. Leger until after the Siege of Fort Stanwix had ended and the Crown forces were retreating northward. [4][5]

During the winter of 1777-1778, Creuzbourg’s Jäger Corps was quartered in the area southeast of Montreal. In August of 1778 at least one company was based around Terrebonne. The winter of 1779-1780 was spent in cantonment at La Prairie and during the summer of 1781 the corps was part of Québec garrison. The winter of 1781-1782 spent in quarters in Saint-Vallier and Châteauguay; during the summer of 1782 the corps was posted to Île aux Noix and Lacolle, in the Montérégie region.[3]

Did Chrétien Lemaire took part in the Battle of Saratoga?

Was he in North Carolina in 1780?

Did he desert his post there?

If not, why would he have deserted his post when his unit was in cantonment at LaPrarie when he was in no danger?

So many unanswered questions. 


You should be because I am also confused.

One thing is for certain though, Chrétien Lemaire was discharged in 1783 and he stayed in Quebec. He got married and he fathered one son who, in turn, got married and fathered at least four children, one of which is Arther’s ancestor.

How Arther’s ancestor deserted the British Army in 1780?

Well, I guess we will never know for sure…

Arther and Rose 2

Have I ever told you about how my ancestor deserted the British Army in 1780?

The American Revolution in North Carolina

I hope I am not confusing you with all this story about Chrétien Lemaire who is Arther Myers’ ancestor.

Arther is seen here on a picture.

Arthur Myers

Who’s confused?

This is the original.

Arther and Rose

Lots of information about what happened in North Carolina.

Click here.

I am sure Chrétien Lemaire deserted around September 1780 according to a German researcher,  but the problem is where he deserted.

Did he desert his post in North Carolina?

We know Chrétien Lemaire returned to duty in May 1782, and was demoted from corporal to rifleman.

9.1780: deserted · Hesse-Hanau Fusilier Corps (Chasseurs) 2 · Corporal 

HStAM 10 d Nr. 39(68) → Request page

5.1782: demoted · Hesse-Hanau Fusilier Corps (Chasseurs) 2 · Rifleman
HStAM 10 d Nr. 39(68) → Request page

Click here for the source of that information.

I am not making up this desertion story.

What I found is that the German mercenaries were told when they enlisted that they were going to fight the Indians, not the Americans. I was not able to verify this information, but the morale of these soldiers must have been at their lowest.

Did Chrétien desert his post after being taken prisoner in October 1777?

More information is available here to confuse you more…


On October 14, 1777 Burgoyne calls a counsel of war and discusses the capitulation of his forces which was agreed upon by the senior officers. A armistice was agreed upon by General Gates and Burgoyne until 10:00 AM on October 15th, capitulation to occur at 3:00 PM and grounding of weapons by 5:00 PM. Burgoyne stalls for time and demands from Gates the full honors of war, that the troops would be returned to England, on condition that they would not serve in North America again. A treaty is signed by both commanding Generals, capitulation being changed to convention, on October 17th.

At 10:00 AM on October 17, 1777 the troops of Burgoyne’s army march out with the honors of war, ground their weapons by the river, and begin the 200-mile march to Boston. This convention army consisted of 5,895 men of all ranks – 3,018 British, 2,412 Germans, 465 ‘auxiliaries’ – plus 215 British woman and 82 German woman, an assortment of camp followers, and a menagerie of local wildlife pets of the German troops. The march through Massachusetts, to internment at Winter Hill near Cambridge, took 21 days.

More information is available here.


Under the terms of the convention Burgoyne’s army was to march to Boston, where British ships would transport it back to England, on condition that its members not participate in the conflict until they were formally exchanged. Congress demanded that Burgoyne provide a list of troops in the army so that the terms of the agreement concerning future combat could be enforced. When he refused, Congress decided not to honor the terms of the convention, and the army remained in captivity. The army was kept for some time in sparse camps throughout New England. Although individual officers were exchanged, much of the “Convention Army” was eventually marched south to Virginia, where it remained prisoner for several years.[137] Throughout its captivity, a large number of men (more than 1,300 in the first year alone) escaped and effectively deserted, settling in the United States.[138]

That would explained the lapse of time he spent as a deserter, and then his demotion when he returned in May 1782.

Chrétien Lemaire was there

How important is it to find out that your ancestor was a rifleman in the Hesse Hanau Regiment and that he deserted his post in North Carolina in 1780?

The battle of Wahab’s Plantation will never be the same for Arthur Myers’ descendants.

Arthur Myers

Arther Myers, Chrétien Lemaire’s descendant

I found this information about Wahab’s Plantation on the Internet. It was hard to find, but not as much as finding information about Chrétien Lemaire a Hesse Hanau chasseur who was just a name on a card file of a researcher.

Chrétien Lemaire

What happened on 20-21 September?

Wahab’s Plantation, also Wauchope’s Plantation (Union County, 1116 S.C.)

When about September 8th Cornwallis moved with his army to Waxhaws, it was on the same ground occupied by Davie in June and July 1780, located on the S.C.-N.C. border. It was a rich country but one much devastated by warfare and neglect; many of the plantations were completely deserted, and a large number of the inhabitants killed, captured or made refugees.

Davie had recently been appointed Col. Commandant of all cavalry of North Carolina. He had 70 dragoons and two companies of riflemen commanded by Maj. George Davidson, he was posted twenty-five miles above the British camp at Providence, and fourteen miles south of Charlotte. The 71st Regt. was posted about a half mile in Cornwallis rear, Cornwallis on the north side of Waxhaws Creek. To the east of the 71st were some loyalist light troops and militia, who had been spreading “havoc and destruction.” Davie finding out about this, “formed a design to attack them.” Early morning of 20 September he circled Cornwallis position, coming from the east.1117 Finding the loyalist had moved a few days before, he continued scouting and found them at Wahab’s plantation, a location overlooked by the camp of the 71st. It is not clear who these loyalists were, but references which suggest that horsemen were present among their ranks make it probable that they included Harrison’s Provincials.

On the morning of the 21st, Davie surprised and routed them, though he could not follow this up as being too risky. At one point in the fighting, some of the loyalists were surrounded and Davie’s cavalry cut them down; the whigs being unable to take prisoners due to the proximity of the 71st. He did, however, capture some arms (120 stand) and 96 horses, and with the horses Maj. Davidson’s men were mounted. The British suffered 15 to 20 killed, and 40 wounded, while only one of the Americans was wounded. The late arriving British, in retaliation, burned the home of Capt. James Wahab [Wauchope],1118 who himself had acted as a guide for Davie. That same afternoon Davie returned to his camp, having performed a march of sixty miles in twenty-four hours.1119 Davie: “Generals [Jethro] Sumner and [William Lee] Davidson had arrived that day [the 21st] at camp with their brigades of militia[,] both of which However did not amount to one thousand men all on short enlistments, illy armed and diminishing every day. These with Davie’s corps were the whole assembled force at that time opposed to the enemy.”1120 Brig. Gen. William Lee Davidson, on possibly Sept. 24 (the date of the letter is not clear) and at “Camp, 8 miles South of Charlotte,” wrote Gates: “I have the pleasure to enform you that Colo. Davie, with a Detachment of Horse and Light Infantry from my Brigade, compleatly surprized a party of Tories on the morning of the 20th Sept., two miles in the rear of the British encampment.

Killed, 12; on the ground, wounded, by our best intelligence, about 60, and brought off our prisoner, and the Colo. made good his retreat with 50 Horses, as many saddles, 13 guns, &c.

COC ~ (Henry Clinton’s) Clinton’s Observations on Earl Cornwallis’s Answer. p. 30.
CNC volume number 14 ~ The State Records of North Carolina (Walter Clark, editor)6 p. 773.
CDI ~ (Alexander Chesney) Diary of Captain Alexander Chesney (Samuel C. Williams, editor) from Tennessee Historical Magazine
PRO. ~ British “Public Records Office”. 30/11/80/31-32.
COC ~ (Henry Clinton’s) Clinton’s Observations on Earl Cornwallis’s Answer. pp. 22-23.
Some sources, such as McCrady, suggest Lancaster county, but recent scholarship indicates Union to be the area in question.
Lee says from Cornwallis’ left, or from the west, which Davie points out is incorrect
1118 His actual name was apparently spelled “Wauchope.” DRS ~ (William Richardson Davie’s) Revolutionary War Sketches of William R. Davie (Blackwell P. Robinson, editor). p. 55n.
LMS ~ (Henry Lee’s) Memoirs of the War in the Southern Department (1869 edition) p. 195, DRS pp. 21-23, SNC p. 104-112, MSC1 pp. 742-743.
DRS ~ (William Richardson Davie’s) Revolutionary War Sketches of William R. Davie (Blackwell P. Robinson, editor) pp. 21-23, LMS ~ (Henry Lee’s) Memoirs of the War in the Southern Department (1869 edition) p. 195.
CNC volume number 14 ~ The State Records of North Carolina (Walter Clark, editor) 614-615

The source of the text above is here.

Did Chrétien Lemaire deserted at the battle of Wahab’s Plantation or the next one, the Battle of Charlotte?


The Battle of Charlotte was an American Revolutionary War battle fought in Charlotte, North Carolina on September 26, 1780. The battle took place at the Mecklenburg County Court House, which is now the site of the Bank of America tower at Trade and Tryon Streets in downtown Charlotte. An advance guard of General Charles Cornwallis’ army rode into town and encountered a well-prepared Patriot militia under the command of William R. Davie in front of the court house. A skirmish ensued in which George Hanger, leading the British cavalry, was wounded. The small Patriot force, which had not intended more than token resistance, withdrew north toward Salisbury upon the arrival of Cornwallis and the main army.

Merry Christmas Redux

I just got curious and I had to look at what I wrote last year for Christmas. Who in his or her right mind would click on all the links on that post?

Who in his or her right mind would write that much on other people’s ancestors? I am sure all these people I found along the way searching for my roots would understand, and I am sure they don’t read all that I wrote on this blog.

You don’t have to.

image001Merry Christmas

Alyce LaGasse where ever you are right now…

Peter Smith where ever you are right now between Asia and Little Snoring…

George Stewart in Hamilton.

Thinkingshift somewhere between NZ and God only knows…

Koji in beautiful sunny Hawaii…

Pacificparatropper in South Florida

Chatter Blog…

Paul D. and La Wanda in NC… 

Joe T. and Lise in Connecticut…

Frank Archambeault in Connecticut…

Sandy L. in Massachusetts…

Robin on the West Coast…

James in Memphis, Tennessee…

Ron Depatie in Ontario who is still addicted to this blog… and wants to know about some of his maternal ancestors…

Marylin Lagasse in Alberta I guess…

Seeburn Chaumont and Pinkie from Louisiana…





Dennis IV and his father Lionel…

And a whole lot more people who will make 2014 another great year… ancestors wise.


And a very Merry Christmas to Judy Giguere in Connecticut…

Merry Christmas to all my readers… and my friends…

and to those who will still grieve so much during Christmas time.