What?

I got this message from a friend to whom I had sent what I had just posted this morning…


Wow, Pierre you have found a most important part of RCAF history.

This is pure “Gold.”

The reorganization of the Canadian Air Force [the fifth] officially adopted the “Royal” on 1 April 1924, and the RCAF was born.

On 19 May 1925, the Ottawa Privy council authorized the establishment of six service squadrons, for use to fulfill the operational duties of many government departments. Yes, our RCAF first began to operate as a non-military agency of the Canadian Government, opened air routes, experimented in air mail, transported government officials, carried ‘treaty money’ to the Indians, patrolled fishing, hunting, and forestry, flew sick and injured trappers and Indians, from remote sites, and photographed the first vast areas of wilderness in Canada. 

The first six RCAF squadrons included – H.Q. at Ottawa, No. 1 Flying Station, Camp Borden, [training]  No. 1 Operations Wing, Winnipeg, [which you have in your photos] and No. 3 Operations [photo] Squadron, Rockcliffe, Ontario, [which became the first to test and develop photographic equipment in Canadian aircraft] Wow, you have all these first images, taken by No. 3 RCAF Photo Unit, pure gold my friend. This is huge to me, and I’m sure someone in Ottawa will be in contact with you.

Attached you will find the aircraft info. from the book “RCAF Squadrons and Aircraft” National Museum of Man, Ottawa, 1977.

On 1 July 1927, the Directorate of Civil Government Air Operations [DCGAO] took over all air operations, which became Federal Government aircraft, etc. It was in fact a ‘paper’ air force and the RCAF did most of the work.

You have captured and preserved that small forgotten part of our early [first] RCAF squadron history. They were a photo section, so, they had lots of film, etc. paid by the Canadian government, that saved our history.

This is huge, keep up the good work, your site is doing so much good for Canadians.

Clarence


It made my day!

Vickers Viking IV flying boat G-CYEZ of the RCAF – 1926

Note

This post was a draft written in January 2017. I was trying to figure out what were all these airplanes. Since I  am not an expert on pre-WWII aircraft I had to take the time to become more knowledgeable. Now I think I am going somewhere with all this research and all the notes I had found in January starting with this picture below.

 

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk. IV, G-CYEZ, Reindeer Lake, Manitoba, 1924. 
(Library and Archives Canada Photo, MIKAN No. 3389794)

More information

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Viking


What about these airplanes?

Something I found here on a forum.

Vickers Viking Mk. IV

G-CYET – It crashed near Hilbre, Manitoba on the 11th of July 1927 when the fuselage failed and broke up in flight. The aircraft was destroyed.

G-CYEU

G-CYEV – It caught a wave and dove under the water while making a landing at Cormorant Lake on the 3rd of October 1930. The aircraft was repaired

G-CYEX

G-CYEY

G-CYEZ


http://www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_G-C1.html

G-CYES Vickers Viking IV 28/CV.7 G-CYES 15.06.23 SOC 02.07.25
G-CYET Vickers Viking IV 27/CV.8 G-CYET 12.07.23 Cat A Hilbre 11.07.27
G-CYEU Vickers Viking IV CV.1 G-CYEU 24.07.23 SOC Winnipeg 04.05.34
G-CYEV Vickers Viking IV CV.2 G-CYEV 15.08.23 SOC Cormorant Lake 20.02.31
G-CYEW Vickers Viking IV CV.3 G-CYEW 31.08.23 Cat A 31.07.26
G-CYEX Vickers Viking IV CV.4 G-CYEX 03.10.23 Cat A Manitoba 25.08.29
G-CYEY Vickers Viking IV CV.5 G-CYEY 17.10.23 SOC Victoria Beach 24.08.26
G-CYEZ Vickers Viking IV CV.6 G-CYEZ 09.11.23 SOC Lac du Bonnet 28.08.30

 


This is the draft written in 31 January 2017

This picture was taken on the Internet.

It’s a Vickers Viking IV. Some faces looked familiar.

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Vickers ‘Viking’ IV flying boat G-CYEZ of the Royal Canadian Air Force, 1926. Photo credit: Canadian Department of Mines and Technical Surveys, now in the collection of Library and Archives Canada, PA-020089

These next pictures are taken from a photo album that was saved by someone who cared about preserving the past. These are “floatplanes” [you see how much I knew back in January] with a marking…EZ.

It has to be Vickers Viking IV flying boat G-CYEZ at Holst Point.

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Vickers Viking IV flying boat G-CYEZ in the background

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Vickers Viking IV flying boat G-CYEZ at Victoria Beach

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Vickers Viking IV flying boat G-CYEV after a mishap

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Vickers Viking IV flying boats G-CYEZ and G-CYET at Holst Point, Ontario

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Vickers Viking IV flying boat G-CYEV

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R.C.A.F.
Vickers ‘Viking’ Amphibian
Photographic “G” Flight
Season 1927
Minaki to Lac-du-Bonnet

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E.T. & E.Z.
Season 1927
Avro Seaplane
“Viking” “Viking”

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Vickers Viking IV flying boat G-CYEV at Nelson House

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Vickers Viking IV flying boat G-CYEZ


Now, on April 19, 2017, piecing all this together…


More on the Vickers Vikings…

http://silverhawkauthor.com/aircraft-preserved-in-canada-4a-warplanes-in-manitoba_376.html

With the author kind permission to whom I wrote an email in late March…

 

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYEV in Victoria Beach in 1923 Mikan No.3643581

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYEV in Victoria Beach in 1923 Mikan No.3643580

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYEV enroute to winter storage 19 September 1923 Mikan No.3643618

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYEV 19 September 1923 Mikan No.3575619

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYET being refueled at Lac du Brochet, Manitoba in July 1924 Mikan No.3643606

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYET in 1924 at Reindeer Lake, Manitoba Mikan No.3391057

 

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk. IV, G-CYET, Reindeer Lake, Manitoba, 1924.  (Library and Archives Canada Photo, MIKAN No. 3389794)

 

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYET in 1925, at Little Grand Rapids, Manitoba Mikan_No.3391061

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYEU at Victoria Beach, Manitoba in 1925 Mikan No.3391060

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYEU at Victoria Beach, Manitoba in 1925 Mikan No. 3391060

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYEZ in 1926 Mikan No.3391068

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYEZ at Victoria Beach, Manitoba in 1926 Mikan No.3391068

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYEZ at Victoria Beach, Manitoba in 1926 Mikan No.3391065

 

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Canadian Vickers Viking Mk.IV G-CYEZ in 1926 Mikan No.33910681

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R.C.A.F.
Vickers ‘Viking’ Amphibian
Photographic “G” Flight
Season 1927
Minaki to Lac-du-Bonnet

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G-CYET – It crashed near Hilbre, Manitoba on the 11th of July 1927 when the fuselage failed and broke up in flight. The aircraft was destroyed.

 

Breaking news

Found yesterday on the Internet

July 1927 a Vickers Viking aeroplane was struck by lightning and crashed near Hilbre, Manitoba. Three airmen, A.T. Bradley, W.C. Weaver and F.H. Wrong lost their lives in the fatal crash. Debris was scattered in all directions. when the plane was struck it was travelling at an elevation of about 2,000 feet.


Wilmington News-Journal Ohio 1927-07-12
Hilbre, MB Lightning Strikes Plane, July 1927

THINK LIGHTNING BOLT STRUCK PLANE, HURLING THREE TO DEATH.
ROYAL CANADIAN AIR FORCE AVIATORS WERE MAKING TOPOGRAPHICAL SURVEY.

Winnipeg, July 12 – (AP) – Exploding in mid-air a hydroplane of the Royal Air Force burst into flames and in four separate pieces crashed to the ground near Hilbre, Man., yesterday, bringing death to three men. The dead are: Flight Officer W. C. WEAVER, pilot. A. T. HARDLEY, photographic mechanic. and F. H. WRONG, surveyor of the Topographical Survey Branch, Ottawa. Eye witnesses say the plane entered a heavy cloud bank and was lost to view. Soon there was a loud explosion and three bodies came hurtling through the air, followed by the separate pieces of the plane, afire like huge rockets. Officers of the Royal Canadian Air Force in Winnipeg today expressed the opinion that the plane had been struck by lightning. The plane was believed to have been at an altitude of almost 3,500 feet when the explosion occurred. One of the victims was found buried head first in the ground. One of the airmen had a parachute strapped on but evidently had no time to use it. The aviators were making a topographical survey of the Hilbre district.


Reno Evening Gazette  – July 12, 1927, Reno, Nevada
Canadian Air Surveyors in Manitoba, 3500 Feet up,
Meet with Death Bodies Hurtle from Mist to Ground before Eyes Of Startled Observers
WINNIPEG, Manitoba 11 July 1927
Exploding in mid-air a hydro airplane of the Royal Force burst into flames and in four pieces crashed to the ground near Hilbre, Manitoba yesterday, bring death to three men.The dead are: Flight Officer W. C. Weaver, pilot in charge; A.T. Bradley, photographic mechanic, and F. H. Wrong, surveyor of the topographical survey branch, Ottawa.-
EXPLODES IN CLOUD
Witnesses say the plane entered a heavy, cloud bank and was lost to view. Shortly after there was a loud explosion and three bodies came hurtling through the air followed by the pieces of the plane, afire like rockets. The flaming, gasoline tank separated from the machine. Officers of the Royal Canadian air force in Winnipeg today expressed the opinion that the plane had been struck by lightning. The accident occurred over a farm a short distance from Hilbre, which is northwest of Winnipeg on the north shore of Lake Manitoba.
FALL OF 3500 FEET
The plane was believed to have been at an altitude almost 3500 feet when the explosion occurred. One of the victims was found buried head first in the ground. Nearby another body was found and a short distance away: a third was discovered in the grass.” One of the airmen has a parachute strapped on but evidently had no time to use it. Parts of the machine were half buried in the ground and debris was scattered over wide area. The pontoons were found one hundred yards from the main portion of the plane.
WERE SURVEYORS
The aviators had taken off from Winnipegosis during the morning, a topographical survey of the Hilbre district. It came from the Lac-du-Bonnet station of the Royal Canadian Air forces, where forestry and survey planes are stationed during the summer months. It was a single engined Vickers Viking of the pusher type with the propeller at the rear of the wings. Preparations for an investigation are under way and Flight Lieut. L. T. Stevenson of headquarters staff here left tonight for the scene of the tragedy.

Trying to figure it all  

I am not going anywhere with Charlotte Campbell’s old album. No one has  yet to share anything yet. But I don’t  despair. I have  posted all her pictures  on the Internet, and I know  someone  will  write one day and make my day. 

Maybe I took the wrong approach.

What about that plane Charlotte is standing beside? If it’s Charlotte of course.

What are the clues?

Minaki, Ontario.

The year, 1927.

And there is a missing picture of a mysterious man!

It can’t  be Bill  nor any other  men seen elsewhere in the album.

 

What are the other  pictures with the captions 1927 and Minaki?

G-CAGE flying off Minaki, Ontario

 

 

Summer 1927 – Minaki, Ontario

 

Season 1927 – Minaki, Ontario?

 

R.C.A.F.
Vickers “Viking” Amphibian
Photographic “G” Flight
Season 1927
Minaki to Lac-du-Bonnet

 

I think we are getting somewhere.

We can safely assume Charlotte  is beside  a Vickers Viking at Minaki, Ontario in 1927. 

More Vickers Vikings in 1927…?

With names of places… Holst Point, Snake Island, Nelson House, Winnipegosis, Minaki, Ontario…

 

 

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Vickers “Viking” Amphibian

EZ

 

Vickers “Viking” Amphibian

EV

 

 

Season 1927
Victoria Beach, Manitoba
Forestry Island, Norway House

 

To be continued next week…

Je suis de retour…

Sometimes you have to be patient.

8 years for that matter. To find the great-great-great-great-grandfather of my five new found fourth cousins three times removed.

Compliqué? Pas du tout.

This is how it all started.

1851-1922

This photocopy is something that I had picked up in 2009 or was it 2008…

It doesn’t matter if it was in 2009 or in 2008, or even in 2007 when I got hooked on genealogy. Pierre Adolphe Lagassé was born in 1851 according to his baptismal act seen here.

I could translate it for you if you want to. Pierre Adolphe was born 14 March 1851. His godfather is Antoine Lagassé. Don’t get confused by the spelling because I have seen everything. Pierre married Mélanie Berthiaume on August 22nd, 1873 in Bedford, Missisquoi County, Quebec, Canada. They had these children.

Some died very young and some had descendants searching for them.

When Pierre Adolphe emigrated to the U.S. his name became Lagasse. Pierre was an undertaker by trade so was his son Frobe seen here with his wife Valéda Forand and their three children Laurent, Norman and Blanche.

                                       Blanche, Frobe, Laurent, Joseph Norman, Valéda Forand

Frobe is seen here again with his wife and a lot of people. Blanche is the baby girl.

Blanche is seen here again holding her son Edward. Valéda is next to her with Philomène Lussier.

Blanche had a daughter also…

Dolly!

Dolly and Edward

Dolly was Marie Dolores Robitaille. She married John F. Schneider.This I did not know until Stephanie told me.

I don’t have more information about Dolly’s and John’s life. What I know is that Stephanie knows it all and she can now share all my research with her husband and her five sons.

 

Click on the image

And finding who’s who on that group picture.

Blanche Lagasse daughter of Valéda Forand and Frobe Lagasse

Where in the world did my grandparents get married?

In 2007 that was sort of an obsession.

Where in the world did my grandparents get married?

They never did get married!

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My father with the sailor uniform is with my grandmother Juliette just behind (circa 1929)

But before I found that out, I had searched near and far for my paternal grandfather’s father and mother. I had search on the Internet, on databanks, on genealogy forums, on several genealogy Websites, on U.S. and Canadian censuses, on Find a Grave…

I made hypotheses like where did my grandfather, who was also my godfather, had picked up my given name? 

Pierre…

This is how I met Blanche and Frobe for the first time. People I didn’t know had ever existed.

Then someone shared this old picture as she was somewhat related to the Lagasses.

Frobe Lagasse is on the right in the first row and Blanche is the baby being held by her mother Valéda Forand.

How I found out about Frobe Lagasse?

His father was Pierre Adolphe Lagacé. I had known back in 2009 who were finally my grandfather’s father and mother, but I had kept a close eye on that other branch. I did not want all this research to go to waste so I wrote about it.

Pierre Adolphe was the son of Pierre Lagacé (another Pierre) and Marcelline David.

14 March 1851

Pierre was born in 1825 according to this headstone.

Headstones are a secondary source because errors are sometimes found.

His brother Stanislas (Stanislas I), born in 1816, was my great-great-grandfather. Stanislas died March 28, 1900.

This could very well be where I got my given name, from my great-great-grandfather’s brother. Or was it because my great-grandfather Stanislas (Stanislas II) had a brother who was also named Pierre?  

I know by looking at this old picture that Stanislas II and his brother Pierre seemed very close, at least on a park bench…

Pierre (1845- ?) and Stanislas II (1842-1927)

I could never find out when Pierre died. That’s the “?”.

I know a lot about my side of the family, but I don’t know everything.

I know also a lot about Pierre Adolphe seen here on an image I took from the Internet in 2010, but I don’t know everything.

Sometimes people find this blog and start writing. Then they stop writing…like the person who sent me this and said he had more.

I don’t mind waiting because what I find I share for future generations. I understand why some people are not interested in finding their roots, but when they do and write a comment on this blog…

Amazing photographs!  I am partial I suppose as I also have 5 sons!  Thank you for sharing these!  I had the names of Frobe’s parents but nothing further, so that is wonderful as well!

 

I start writing…and sharing.

Happy Thanksgiving to all the Lagacés in the U.S.

It’s not Thanksgiving yet, but it will do.

Our Ancestors

This is a great week.

One of Pierre Adolph Lagasse’s descendant wrote this comment on my blog…

Pierre Adolph Lagasse

My Grandmother was Marie (Blanche) Lagasse.

I have some family photos that I would love to share and hopefully have some help identifying the people in one of the large family photos.

This is the picture Linda sent me…


It was taken in 1905.

Valéda Lagasse née Forand is  holding Blanche Lagasse.

I had written an article on Blanche. Blanche was the daughter of Valéda Forand and Frobe Lagasse. Frobe died in 1915.

Someone was asking a question on a genealogy forum…

I am looking for ancestors of Louis Robitaille (b. 1902?), husband to Marie Blanche Lagasse (b. 1904?), and father of Edward Robitaille (b. 1922?) and Marie Delores Robitaille (b. 1924).

All four were born in Massachusetts.

According to Census, Louis’ parents were both born in French…

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