One clue leads to another…

After Jeffrey commented on the Campbells, Don Daniel added this:

Hello to my Lagace/ Lagasse relatives. My research leads me to suspect but not prove that my 3rd great-grandfather may have been Daniel McKinnon, probably a member of the 78th Fraser Highlanders who occupied Quebec City and the surrounding area from 1760 to December 1763. Together with Marguerite Euphrosine Hamelin dit Pagnol, he may have fathered a child born on 9 September 1762 in Grondines. The evidence is merely circumstancial, but Jeffrey’s post adds to it. He was probably around 37 at the time. If he is the father, he abandoned his child and her mother and eventual settled in Berthier-sur-Mer where he married (presumably for the first time) in 1768. With his wife, Marie Angelique Rinfret-Malouin, he fathered another 17+ children and died in 1802.

Don Daniel

As always I got curious which led me to find this on the Internet.

About Daniel Macanneville OR McKinnon

Don Daniel

Marguerite Euphrosine and Daniel never married. He is not the father of ME as listed above.

If Daniel Macaneville is Daniel McKinnon, then he did marry, in 1768, Marie Angelique Rinfret dit Malouin.

Is it possible that this mystery man is Daniel McKinnon?

Here are my hypotheses, guesses, and “hard” (?) facts. Let me list some not necessarily in the most logical order.

Pierre Daniel Macanneville is my 2nd g-gf. His marriage contract of 13 Jan 1798 identifies him as illegitimate, but marginalia identifies “Daniel Macanneville” and Marguerite Eurphrosine Hamelin dit Pagnol as his unwedded parents. There is no record of any such Macanneville (variously spelled phonetically) in any other Canadian records or UK records that I have scoured. I believe the way the name was spelled reflected the way it sounded to the notary writing the document. The “Mac” part of his name suggests a person of Gaelic/ Celtic/ Scottish/ Irish origin consistent with the majority of my DNA. (We refer to him as “Alleycat”: he came, he saw, he seduced, he left.) More on this below. Marguerite Euphrosine is well-documented. Born 1745. Died 1820. Resident of Grondines, located along the St. Lawrence just SW of Quebec City. No record indicates she ever married. No baptismal certificate lists her as a mother. But an illegitimate child born 9 Sep 1762 in Grondines and baptized “Pierre” has a Charlotte Hamelin as godmother. No mention of mother but I am assuming that this Marguerite’s and Alleycat’s son. She never married. Another link between Marguerite and Pierre Daniel Macanneville, the groom in 1798, is that the marriage needed a dispensation for “third degree of consanguinity.” This meant that people knew Pierre’s provenance. Pierre married Rose Chavigny. Her grandmother Genevieve Chavigny married Joseph-Marie Hamelin dit Pagnol. So, if Pierre is the son of Marguerite Hamelin and marrying a Chavigny, then a dispensation would be needed in view of the earlier Genevieve Chavigny-Joseph Hamelin marriage. This nails down for me that he is the son of Marguerite. As for Alleycat’s paternity, if he was in the 78th Fraser Highlanders —the rolls list Donald McKinnon—he could be the father. The 78th was garrisoned in and around Quebec at the time. If he was born in 1725, he would have been around 37 yrs old when Pierre was born. I cannot believe that he was celibate all that time. If he is the one who married Angelique Rinfret in 1768, then he would be 53. For him to father 17 (as per my records) or 20 kids (as per yours) with her boggles my mind. Records concerning both Pierre Daniel Macanneville and Daniel McKinnon reveal a near score of “aliases”: McKinville, McKinval, McBonneville, McBanvil, McKendit, Kinnine, Kinnal, and others including phonetic variants. Even Daniel McKinnon’s burial certificate refers to “Daniel M. Kinnon” and “Daniel M. Kinnan.” Pierre’s daughters used different variants within their lifetime and his burial certificate uses McBanvil.

In Diane Perron-Latour’s family tree in Geneanet, she says of Daniel Macaneville:

“Il est possiblement Sieur Daniel McKinal qui a épousé Marie Angélique [Rinfret-] Malouin.” She may be right. In several sites, variants of McKinnon include Maccan, Macannan, Macannon, Mckinal, Mahinal, McKinlay, McKenne, and the like–all close variants that drop the “vil” or “ville” extension. Also, see following from NOSORIGINES: Prénom: Daniel Nom: McKinnon Sexe: M Occupation: Naissance: 1725 Paroisse/ville: Pays: Écosse Décès: 22 février 1802 – âge: 77 Paroisse/ville: Berthier, Montmagny Pays: Canada Information, autres enfants, notes, etc. Le premier seigneur en 1781 de Matane était Donald McKinnon qui arrive en 1759 avec Wolfe. Il est négociant et soldat et il marie le 22 avril 1765 à Montréal Françoise Tanon. On trouve sa sépulture le 9 août 1792 à Rimouski. Il n’ont pas d’enfant. Dans un testament devant le notaire Pinguet le 29 mai 1780 il nomme comme héritier son neuveu Donald McKinnon. Ce Donald n’est pas identique avec Daniel, époux de Angélique Rinfret-Malouin. Daniel McKinnon ne vient jamais à Matane. Il demeurait à Berthier ou il excerce le métier d’aubergiste cabaretier. Il meurt en 1802 à Berthier et il a 77 ans. Gérard Caron avance comme naissance le 7 novembre 1725, Gorvan, Lanark, Écosse. Nous n’avons pas de preuve pour cela. Il est l’ancêtre de toutes les familles McKinnon de Matane (Source: Les vieilles familles de Matane: Famille McKinnon)

Family Search L8PY-M5W refers to him as Sieur, but is wrong. The sieur is Donald, sieur de Matane. And adds: Christening 07 NOV 1725 Govan,Lanark,Scotland It also lists parents Hugh McKinnon and Margeret Mclain w/ no indication of marriage and no further info about them.

He was 43 yrs old when he married. He was a soldier with Wolfe in 1759 in the Quebec area, If Pierre was indeed born in Sep 1762, then DM could have been the father. He is probably associated with the 78th Fraser Highlanders who occupied Quebec at the time. The rations list for the 78th at the time of disbandment lists several Donald McKinnons. Acc to (Re‐printed from Tasmanian Ancestry, Vol. 8, No. 3 , December 1997) INTERCHANGEABLE SURNAMES AND PERSONAL NAMES IN SCOTTISH HIGHLAND REGISTERS AND THE PROBLEM OF IDENTIFICATION by Alan G. Macpherson, it was common to substitute Donald and Daniel and one website refers to “Donald–Daniel McKinnon.” And there are several Donald and Daniel McKinnon floating about at that time.

Acc. to http://www.gaspejohnpaterson.ca/pages/78regiment.pdf: 1761 passed uneventfully with companies spread out from Levis along the south shore of the St. Lawrence as far as Riviere-du-Loup.

Don told me he was the author and asked for my help. I told him he seems to be the expert, but I could take a quick look. That was before he added…

It would be wonderful if you can move this beyond supposition and into proven fact. (PS: My mother was Marie Adeline Yvette Amabellisse Lagace.)

Don and I are distant cousins!

 

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I Give Up!

Do you really mean it when you hit a brick wall?

I don’t.

The story of that picture is on this blog which might be hard to find unless you use the search button on the right side.

Having written more than 1200 posts it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack. Fanie Lupien’s name did not give me any headache, just a little…

Elmire Brault’s name is what got me curious when I visited St. Joseph Cemetery with 3rd cousin Joe. Visiting that cemetery was sort of an epiphany…

An epiphany (from the ancient Greek ἐπιφάνεια, epiphaneia, “manifestation, striking appearance”) is an experience of sudden and striking realisation. Generally the term is used to describe scientific breakthrough, religious or philosophical discoveries, but it can apply in any situation in which an enlightening realization allows a problem or situation to be understood from a new and deeper perspective. Epiphanies are studied by psychologists[1][2] and other scholars, particularly those attempting to study the process of innovation.[3][4][5]

Epiphanies are relatively rare occurrences and generally follow a process of significant thought about a problem. Often they are triggered by a new and key piece of information, but importantly, a depth of prior knowledge is required to allow the leap of understanding.[3][4][6][7] Famous epiphanies include Archimedes‘s discovery of a method to determine the density of an object (“Eureka!”) and Isaac Newton‘s realization that a falling apple and the orbiting moon are both pulled by the same force.[6][7][8]

Epiphany that was Fanie Lupien’s real first name… Well sort of…

Fanie was Épiphane. He was named after Epiphanius of Salamis which is found on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphanius_of_Salamis

Fanie is remembered on a list of families of St. Ann parish in Bristol that I posted here on this blog.

Here is it again in a PDF form.

(familles de la paroisse de Ste-Anne à Bristol)

Today’s post “I give up!” is just a pun because I know I will never give up unless people stop writing me like Kathy did.

This is pretty old, but I was wondering if anyone has more info on Fanie Lupien and his family/descendants.

About this addiction of mine…?

How did Elmire Brault died?

The story continues next Saturday with a picture.

Alexina Breault with Zéphir Choinière

Postcript

If you ever find the names of your ancestors on my blog, please contact me because I probably have so much to share.

It’s always free.

David Robb Gilchrist and Charlotte Maria Campbell’s son

This is where I am right now on Our Ancestors.

Alexander James Bryson Gilchrist was born on the 13th of November 1933.

Alexander James Bryson Gilchrist married Sheila Doreen Lightfoot. They had a daughter born in 1961 in Hennepin, Minnesota. I don’t have much more information except that Alexander James Bryson Gilchrist died on August 26, 1996 in Minnesota.

Should you be related to these people please use this contact form. I have so much history to share with you.

Accidents

This is how I found Charlotte M. Campbell last night

Just by accident…

October 16, 1933

The Winnipeg Tribune

James Campbell, 844 Bannatyne ave., sustained bruises and abrasions about the head and body when he was struck by a car while crossing Main st. between Market and James. He was taken to the General hospital. Condition good.

Alex. Campbell, 844 Bannatyne ave., was cut over the right eye when the car in which he was a passenger went into the curb at Coburn st. and Warsaw ave., early Sunday morning. Glaring headlights of a car coming in the opposite direction were blamed, for the mishap.

Then I found two obituaries in 1935…

James Campbell, 39, returned soldier, of 844 Bannatyne avenue, died Sunday in General hospital after a short illness.  The funeral will be held at 1.30 p.m. Wednesday from Mordue Bros.’ funeral home to Elmwood cemetery.  Besides his mother, with whom he lived, Mr. Campbell is survived by a brother, Alex, and a sister, Kathleen, also at home.  Four other sisters also survive:  Mrs. D.R. Gilchrist, Camp Borden, Ont.; Mrs. James Moorcroft, Vancouver, B.C., and Mrs. R. Toole and Mrs. J. Jones, both of Winnipeg.

CAMPBELL – On Dec. 8, 1935, at the Winnipeg General hospital, James Campbell, of 844 Bannatyne Ave., in his 40th year. Funeral service Wednesday, 1.30 p.m., in Mordue Bros. Funeral Home, 183 Donald St. Interment in family plot Elmwood cemetery. (Winnipeg Free Press, December 10, 1935, page 20)

From there I began searching for that family in Canadian censuses. Stay tuned because I won’t keep you on the edge of your seat.


See you tomorrow…

See you  tomorrow…

This  is  how this search began last night when I left this final reply to someone who had sent me this private message using this post

I am trying to find out about my father’s  family. He is ***. He was born and grew up in and around Boston Massachusetts. His mother we do not know anything about. There is a Bernadette Moreau. She married a man called Phillip Moreau in we think France. Some of the people in your blogs look a lot like I do and my father. There are no pictures or info. Do you have the last names in your family tree that I have posted above? Sure do appreciate any help you can give. I would like to let my two sons have something of both sides of the family. Let me know if you do or don’t. Enjoyed your blog a lot! Thank you so much.

Who was I kidding?

I thought I had gotten over my addiction for people’s ancestors.

But I got curious and started looking for Bernadette Moreau on Family Search.

The more I looked, the more I found out about Bernadette and her ancestors.

bernadette-moreau

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bernadette-moreau-ancestors

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To be continued?

Searching for Irma Ribori?

This is Irma whom I thought was Emma in 2010. She was the lovely wife of Rudolph Lagasse, son of Idala Lagasse and Albina Quintin.

Rudy and his wife

I took six years to find out who she was.

Alyce wrote me about how November is a little hard on her. So I got curious and looked at her ancestors to find out why.

band of brothers

Could not find much except for Samuel Lagasse who passed away on November 30, 1974.

headstone Samuel Lagasse

Samuel is much more than a headstone in a cemetery.

The Samuel LaGasse's family

I know some of Samuel’s descendants read my blog. I am sure none of Rudi’s descendants read it…

At least for now.

rudoph-and-emma

Click here  and here.

Don’t get me wrong – I’m not a ghost…

I have never met one.

The only time I was confronted was when my mother died.

I did not see her but my brother-in-law did the night she died. He did not make this story up, that I am sure of…

I have been writing this blog since 2009. I have written more than 1000 posts.

Tony told me I was a prolific writer. I write to share what I have found about ancestors no longer with us like my great-grandfather Stanislas.

Dennis Lagasse II

I would have like to tell you more about Adolphe Pierre and Elphège Lagacé, but I think I scared away their descendants.

Adolphe Pierre Lagassé

Adolphe Pierre Lagacé

Valéry Forand Blanche and Frobe

Frobe Lagasse and Elphège Lagacé?

Frobe Lagasse's family

Blanche Lagasse, Frobe Lagasse, Laurent, and Joseph Norman Lagasse,
and Valéda Forand

Elphege Lagasse

Elphège Lagacé

Well c’est la vie!