Sunday Morning – Post published in 2014… The Little Old Lady from… St-Norbert

Getting back to our normal scheduling for now…

Who was this little old lady on an old photo?

The answer was posted in 2014. So this is a reprint of what I had written. It was about who had shared old photos, and I feel it’s important to share it once more.

ORIGINAL POST

Louise Beaugrand dit Champagne with her son Adélard Turcotte (Wilcox)
from the collection of Jason West

It was Jason West who sent me lots of old photos. Senior’s moment, but since I have about 10 000 old pictures…

Jason West knew everything about her.

Louise Beaugrand dit Champagne with Exeurie Myers
Collection Jason West

The old lady could not have been a next door neighbor, or Exeurie’s second wife, because he never remarried. The old lady sitting beside Exeurie Myers had then to be related to the Turcottes (Wilcoxes).

But how?

I knew all about Louise Beaugrand dit Champagne and I even knew where she was born… even before I met Jason on the Internet.

Louise Beaugrand dit Champagne was from St-Norbert, Quebec, a little village west of Berthierville where the famous Formula 1 racer Gilles Villeneuve grew up…

Collection Pierre Lagacé


End of reprint

The Little Old Lady from St-Norbert was Exeurie Myers’ sister-in-law. Exeurie or Xavier Myers was married to Sophranie Beaugrand dit Champagne.

Exeurie Myers and Sophronie Champagne

Collection Jason West


Footnote

There is an anecdote related to this.

Last month I met a man who was hauling bales of hay. As he was passing by I looked at him and smiled. He smiled back, and stopped his truck and said.

Are we going to have such a nice weather for long?

I did not know what to reply since I was a bit under the weather.

He said…

We live according to the weather.

Taking about the weather is always a good way to start a conversation. Along the way we started talking about our grandfathers who were both farmers. His grandfather was Philippe Houle who died when he was 46, leaving a widow with 10 children. His wife Cornélie Bonin never remarried…

When I got back home I searched for this family. What I found is that one of this man’s ancestors was Catherine Beaugrand dit Champagne.

The Little Old Lady from St-Norbert was Catherine Beaugrand dit Champagne’s niece!

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Friday Morning – Closing the books with a little history lesson

This is a PDF file of what I have on Chrétien Lemaire who is Exeurie Myers’ ancestor. 

Chrétien Lemaire

Click above.

Exeurie Myers and Sophronie Champagne

Exeurie Myers with his wife Sophranie Beaugrand dit Champagne

Below are also the notes I had kept on my Ancestry tree. It was about an exchange I had found in a genealogy forum. I thought they had to be preserved for posterity sake…


Here I found the BRETMEYER File which did confirm that Christian was a soldier of the British 53rd regiment.

This is from document 24226 and 24227 of microfilm C-2511 (RG1 L3L)
including the discharge from the 53rd, dated Montreal, 24. Dec.1783.
By the way. it gave his place of birth as the parish of Swannabach, which I identified as 39397 Schwanebeck, State of Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany.

Hope this helps.

John Merz


Dear Paul,

I am forwarding this to my two mail lists which are the one’s with the experts on Hessians and in the same time the experts in Quebec genealogy.

This is a very interesting case we have here, and you raise some interesting questions.

Christian or Christoph LEMAIRE/LAMERE/LEMERE that’s how he is listed in HETRINA VI (Hanau troops).

He was born 1736/37 in Moempelgard (Montbéliard?), France and joined the 2.Comp. of the Hanau Chasseur Corps in Feb.1777, meaning, he was with them from the beginning when the Corps was established in Hanau.

He did have some career, and I wish I knew more about it, but that what the Hetrina entries indicate. He was first a private, and was promoted to Corporal in December 1777. It is possible that as a member of the 2.Comp. under Captain Castendyck, he participated in the siege of Stanwix and the battle of Oriskany in August 1777.

Somehow in September 1780 he is listed as a deserter, but he did return in May of 1782 and was demoted to a private. In July 1783 he did receive his honourable discharge from the Corps and remained in Quebec. This is what the military records provide.

As to your other question about French names in Hessian towns, my hometown Hanau is full of French names. Huguenots, Wallones, who build a new city – Neuhanau outside the old -Althanau in the 17th century, when they were prosecuted and driven out of France.

Many of the descendants served in Hanau troops one time or another, and particularly during the American Revolution. This is what makes it so hard for me to trace them in Quebec. Their names disappeared in the records, while German names stuck out like sore thumps.

Now I have given you what I have, but I know there will be some readers of this with much more information, and I wish they would post their answers to this list, because you are not the only one who is interested.

Good luck and happy hunting.
John Merz


From: “Paul Paula Lamoureux” <>
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 1:10 PM
> Subject: Hesse-Hanau
>
>
After reading many of the queries, I was hoping that you may be of assistance in giving me a clue with solving a problem I am having regarding one of my ancestors..The surname in question is ” Lemaire” He married Catherine Lentendre 1789 in Sorel, Quebec.

According to a book (which I haven’t seen) called Debor Herbert Wilhem. “German Soldiers of the American War of Independence as Settlers in Canada”, there are supposed to be two Lemaire’s listed as arriving in 1776-77. A Chrétien Lemaire,(Brunswick soldier discharged in North America in 1783 from the Hesse-Hanau Rangers). ? Lemaire, which I am hoping may be my ancestor.

Source Wilhelmy, Jean-Pierre..German Mercenaries in Canada, Beloeil, Quebec, arriving in 1776…….
The question I have: most of the soldiers in the Hessian Army, came from Germany…..I haven’t seen any French names listed, or the place of origin from France. Is there a possibility that the name may have been changed from… ?…. to Lemaire when they stayed in Canada…….I am aware of one name that was changed to Lebleu but that is all……. >

Thanks

Paul Lamoureux


A little piece of American Revolution history: French-Canadian girls marrying Hessian soldiers between 1783-1800:

I’ll quote first from my book “He was a Hessian” (out of print);

“The rulers of six principalities had signed contracts with the British to supply up to 30,000 troops for the fight against the American rebels. Most of those troops were regular army units, the soldiers were regular drafted men, also by no means were they Volunteers or what is still claimed today, that they were “Mercenaries”.

They most certainly were not!

However, smaller units were put together by some princes which were known as the Chasseur Corps. Those men were the true mercenaries, they were volunteers, mostly hunters, experienced men of the forest, sharp shooters, these men were right at home in the Canadian and American wilderness. Those chasseurs were engaged in most battles and skirmishes of the revolution, wherever there was some action, there were Chasseurs involved. They were also much better paid than regular soldiers.

When the Northern army under the command of General Burgoyne in the summer of 1777 marched down along Lake Champlain towards Albany, and had to surrender at Saratoga in October of 1777, because they were surrounded and cut off from Canada by a superior number of rebels, Canada itself was in great danger of being attacked again by the Americans. At that time the Chasseurs, or how they were called, the “Green Yeagers”, were assembled in Germany and hastily brought over to form a first line of defense, together with some provincial fighting units like the Butler’s Rangers in Niagara.

These Chasseurs from Hesse-Hanau and from Brunswick were stationed in the Quebec area along the St. Lawrence River, and at places like Carleton Island near Kingston, and also at the Ile-aux-Noix in the Richelieu River. One Hanau Chasseur unit even took part in the expedition against Fort Stanwix in 1777 and the Battle of Oriskany which resulted in the defeat of a strong rebel force and the death of their leader General Nicholas Herkimer. However, they did not succeed in taking Fort Stanwix and had to return home to Quebec. The Americans, being well aware of the presence of those tough fighting units, did not attempt any more attacks against Canada itself for the rest of the war. This is in my humble opinion one of the reasons why we still have an independent Canada today. At the peace in 1783, when all regular German troops were shipped back to Germany, quite a few of the regulars asked to be permitted to stay in Canada, some of them when permission was not granted, deserted from their units and took shelter within the Canadian population.

The chasseurs wanting to stay in Canada did not have those problems, most of them did get a discharge in Canada and settled down. They were volunteers, they would have been discharged in Germany anyway, and with giving them the discharge already here in Canada, saved the transportation back to the old country. One has to realize the true proportions of this influx of new German blood into the French-Canadian population. In the year 1783 there were appr. 60-70 000 Canadians of French origins living in the Province of Quebec. After the peace, of the roughly 2,500 Hessians who remainded in Canada, close to 2,000 of them stayed in Quebec, scattered all over the country side along both shores of the St.Lawrence River.

They married French-Canadian girls, raised big families, worked as farmers, bakers, shoemakers, blacksmiths, doctors, tavernkeepers, served in the local militia’s, became lawyers, musicians, physicians, and surveyors, in other words, these former soldiers contributed very much to the well being of the Quebecers and to their culture. However, sad to say, one thing they did not do, they did not teach their children to speak German. In most cases their German names were changed to sound French, Johann became Jean, Jacob became Jacques, but it was even more drastic with last names. A Beyer became Payeur, a Pfeiffer became Fiffre, or a Teffner ended up as Theveneur, a Schlossmacher as Shlousmakre, a Schultz as Choults, and so on. In one case Ebacher became Baker, in another they eliminated the last name of Adam Raubenheimer, a Hesse-Hanau Chasseur, completely, and the family is known today as “Les Adams”. Fact is, within a short period of time, perhaps within 30 years hardly a trace of this German invasion could be detected, these men were absorbed by the French-Canadian culture, sucked up like spilled milk by a giant sponge.

Only in the old church records of the Quebec parishes does one find the names, and as one searches through these records, one can find the signatures of those men in German handwriting sticking out like a giant (sore) thump, here signed: Johann Daniel Doerge”, or Fritz Gerner”. (Both these men had served with the Brunswick troops and were properly discharged in 1783) Both of them married and settled in Sorel.

=End of this short story=

After you read this, one realizes the difficulties encountered in tracking elusive ancestors.

John Merz


Next time Sunday Morning…

Intermission – Your comments are always welcome on Our Ancestors…

An update on something I wrote on November 2, 2018…

First read the post, then read the comment that was just made at the end…


Today is All Souls Day.
This draft post was intended for publication on October 15. I wanted to write about the Sauvé family. That was before I started writing about a Ford Model T photo and people who were associated with it.

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I have been remembering my ancestors and yours since 2008, first in French on Nos ancêtres, and then in 2009 on this English version. I have remembered a lot more than you think because I have also honoured the Fallen in World War II.
People have been sharing so many memories, memorabilia, and photos they had of their ancestors and their relatives, even some they knew nothing about, that I felt compelled to write about them.

This comment was posted by Liza in 2014 on this blog. It was a post I had written about my maternal great-grandparents Honoré Sauvé and Julie Leroux.

Hello Pierre,
I happened to stumble across your English blog yesterday and your French blog this afternoon. I have been reading your past posts, trying to start from the beginning but reading here and there. I am pretty sure that I am a distant cousin of yours. My maternal grandfather was Osias Sauvé (1874-1954) who married Kate Welburn as his third wife both in Quebec (Namur) and Ontario (Hawkesbury or Curran) – they married three times for various reasons. In addition, my maternal grandmother was Marie Ida Evaleen Renaud who married Russell H Macklem in Windsor, Ontario, but they were originally from Quebec.

In addition, I read one of your posts about the Cloutier family, and I believe my husband, Mario Gervais, is related to several other families you mentioned. His parents are Josaphat Gervais (Gervais, Cayouette) and the late Ruth Roy (Roy, Pelletier – a grandparent was a Cloutier).

Still trying to figure out where you fit on my tree…

P.S. We live in Ottawa.

When Liza wrote this comment, I quicky began searching for her grandfather Osias Sauvé to find out how Liza and I were related. It was not that easy to find the missing link.

I was sure Osias Sauvé was the son of Honoré Sauvé (Henry Souvia) and Joséphine Parent, but I could not find Osias parents’ marriage record. I had to rely on several Canadian censuses to find his grandparents Hyacinthe Sauvé and Théotiste Sabourin in the 1852, 1861, and 1871 censuses.

This is Osias (Exloise Souvia), age 6, with his parents in the 1881 Canadian census. We see his siblings: Emma, Lora (Laura), William, Milinda, Ambrose (Ambroise), Joseph and finally Leon (Léon).

In 1896, Osias Sauvé married Marie Durocher who also went by the name Marie Desrochers. Osias’ name was also entered in several official records as Exeas, Exias, and even Elzear making it even more difficult to find all of Osias’ children.

Osias Sauvé was born on November 2, 1874 (date to be validated). He was married three times and had nine sons and nine daughters. Osias died on May 10, 1954 (date to be validated). He was 79.

Liza commented again last month about Alexandre Benoît dit Livernois…

I have some information about this family that I want to send you but I can’t seem to find your email address.

This was a great help to close the chapter on the Bennett family on Our Ancestors.

Liza had more information to share about Osias Sauvé, and together we have succeeded in finding all 18 children. This is one of Liza’s many photos she has shared last month.

Osias Sauvé is on the right, and I believe his first son Osias, born in 1897, is with him. I am sure he was not a stranger who wanted to pose for posterity with Osias Sauvé.

This is another photo from Liza’s collection.

On the left is (Cléophas) Clifford Sauvé with his brother Osias. I see some resemblance with the man on the other photo, but that’s the only hint Liza and I have.

Osias Sauvé, who is my 6th cousin once removed, had fathered 18 children and probably has hundreds if not thousands of descendants who will one day stumble across this blog, and write what Liza did in 2014…

Hello Pierre,
I happened to stumble across your English blog yesterday and your French blog this afternoon. I have been reading your past posts, trying to start from the beginning but reading here and there. I am pretty sure that I am a distant cousin of yours.

Next time on Our Ancestors, Thomas Welburn, Nellie Leggett, and their children.


Comment just made by Brenda Levert

Clifford Sauve is my grandfather.

Thursday Morning – What was a Hessian? – Update

This was posted last year on Our Ancestors


ORIGINAL POST

Am I digging to deep when looking for your ancestors? See the comment at the end of this post.

When you find one of your ancestors, or someone’s ancestor, you want to find more about him don’t you?

Click here.

Hessian

This period image shows Hessian soldiers as heartless warriors.

Was Jason and Steve’s ancestor Chrétien Lemaire a Hessian? Was Chrétien Lemaire a heartless warrior?

Read on…

Every school child in America has heard the term “Hessian” in the context of Washington having crossed the Delaware to attack them on Christmas night in 1776. Few people know anything about them, or, if they do, they have a rather “cartoonish” image. In some circles the term has become synonymous with “soldier of fortune,” perhaps because, even in the 18th Century, they were referred to as “mercenaries”.

We must begin by noting that our current concept of a unified, German nation (in no way to be confused with the more recent fall of the Berlin Wall), is a product of the 1870’s. The Germany of the 18th Century was what was left of the old “Holy Roman Empire” of the Middle Ages. It was a somewhat bewildering collection of separate, and autonomous, city-states, duchies, and principalities as large and important as Prussia, and as small and nearly forgotten as Anhalt-Zerbst.

When trying to understand their role in the American Revolution, it is important to recognize that one of these principalities was Hanover, which was governed by it’s “Elector”. That “Elector” happened to be George III of Great Britain (hence the current ruling family of Britain is still, technically known as the “House of Hanover”). Great Britain traditionally relied on its impressive, defensive “moat” — the English Channel, and always maintained a relatively small army in peacetime. These German city-states, being a part of Continental Europe with few natural boundaries, of necessity, had to maintain comparatively large, standing armies for their own safety. Many regarded Great Britain as a natural ally and fought alongside her as such during the Seven Years’ War and earlier conflicts.

Hessian troops

Rich Buser
Hessian reenactors show their drilling style at a Park event.

 

Being a Constitutional Monarchy, Britain was one of the more liberal governments on Earth. The economy was generally in good shape, so labor was almost always at a premium. Consequently, Britain always found it difficult to raise many new regiments for its army during times of war. Those new men it did recruit (or impress), needed to be trained. The new regiments needed to be exercised with others to become militarily viable. The German princes would often see Britain’s military needs as opportunities to, at the same time:

  • assist an ally
  • provide combat experience for their officer corps
  • keep a portion of their own regiments embodied while someone else was paying for their upkeep.

The soldiers were themselves only mercenaries in the sense that they were paid for their service to their own ruler, just as any member of the U.S. Military is today. A “soldier of fortune” would be someone who acted, on his own, in a sense as a “free agent”, contracting his services to whoever would pay him. In all, George III was able to contract with six of his fellow German princes for the use of some of their troops:

  • Hesse-Cassel
  • Brunswick
  • Hesse Hanau
  • Anspach-Bayreuth
  • Waldeck
  • Anhalt-Zerbst
  • Friedrich, Landgraff of Hesse-Cassel, by far, contributed the most men, so today, as then, we tend to refer to them all as “Hessians” for convenience. This is technically incorrect, but has become a kind of convention to ease understanding. All three of the regiments who occupied Trenton, in December of 1776, along with the detachments of artillery and jaegers (or riflemen), were, in fact from Hesse-Cassel, thus, truly Hessians. They were:
  • The Grenadier Regiment Rall
  • The Fusilier Regiment von Knyphausen
  • The Fusilier Regiment von Lossberg

All of these regiments were under the command of Col. Johann Gottlieb Rall. As grenadiers and fusiliers, they considered themselves elite units and thus, all the enlisted men wore a form of the well known, tall brass miter cap.

These units had already served with valor at the Battle of Long Island, the Battle of White Plains, and the taking of Ft. Washington in the several months prior to their occupation of Trenton.

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Chrétien Lemaire was with the Hesse Hanau Chasseur Corps. That I am sure of. Did Chrétien Lemaire fight in the U.S. against the Patriots?

Chrétien Lemaire

Chrétien was with Creuzbourg’s Jäger Corps.

Creuzbourg’s Jäger Corps (Jäger-Corps von Creuzbourg) was an independent Jäger battalion raised by the county of Hesse-Hanau and put to the disposition of the British Crown, as part of the German Allied contingent during the American Revolutionary War. The corps fought at the Battle of Oriskany, although mostly serving as garrison of different Canadian posts. (Wikipedia)

Maybe he fought in one battle.

The Battle of Oriskany, fought on August 6, 1777, was one of the bloodiest battles in the North American theater of the American Revolutionary War and a significant engagement of the Saratoga campaign. Early in the siege of Fort Stanwix, an American relief force from the Mohawk Valley under General Nicholas Herkimer, numbering around 800 men of the Tryon County militia and a party of Oneida Indians, approached in an attempt to raise the siege. British commander Barry St. Leger authorized an intercept force consisting of a Hanau Jäger (light infantry) detachment, Sir John Johnson‘s King’s Royal Regiment of New York, Indian allies from the Six Nations and other tribes to the north and west, and Indian Department Rangers totaling at least 450 men.

The Loyalist and Indian force ambushed Herkimer’s force in a small valley about six miles (10 km) east of Fort Stanwix, near the present-day village of Oriskany, New York. During the battle, Herkimer was mortally wounded. The battle cost the Patriots approximately 450 casualties, while the Loyalists and Indians lost approximately 150 dead and wounded. The result of the battle remains ambiguous to this day because the advantage of the Loyalist victory was countered when a party sortied from Fort Stanwix and sacked their camp, spoiling morale among the Indians.

This was one the few battles in the war where almost all of the participants were North American: Loyalists and Indians fought against Patriots in the absence of British soldiers. For the Iroquois nations, the battle marked the beginning of a civil war, as Oneidas under Colonel Louis and Han Yerry allied with the American cause and fought against members of other Iroquois nations. (Wikipedia)

For what I was able to find out, most of the Hesse Hanau soldiers stayed in Canada from 1777 to 1783. I guess we will never be certain Chrétien Lemaire fought at the Battle of Oriskany.

For more information on Germans in the American Revolution, you can click here.

Infanterie_Regiment_von_Donop_-_officer_and_private_1783

– Chrétien what will you do after your discharge?
– I am going to stay here, get married to a lovely fraulein, and raise a family.

UPDATE

Comment made about this post.

Pierre was right except that he forgot to mention the Anspach-Bayreuth troops that were part of that 30,000 soldiers…some two thousand of them. They fought well at Newport and Elizabethtown, NJ and were captured at Yorktown along with their flags. They were imprisoned at Frederick, MD until 1783 when they were “freed” to go back to Germany. My ancestor, George Christhilf did not. A musician, he not only played for his militia unit, but also Gen. Washington at the City Tavern in 1787, and the patrons of the city’s events and in 1792 with Phile and Roth, etc. at Harrowgate. He died in the Yellow Fever epidemic of 1793 with a couple of his children, but his surviving son, Heinrich, came to Baltimore and fought against the British in 1814. You can read about George on academia.edu. Thank you, Nick

More reading

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/citytavern/

Excerpt

Nick Christhilf, family genealogist, informs me that his “G4 grandfather,” George Christhilf, served during the Revolutionary War as a German auxiliary fighting for the British in 1777 while in his early twenties. He was captured, released, and rather than return to Germany, he defected to the United States, and subsequently joined the Philadelphia County Militia in 1784. He lived in the German area between Vine and Race Streets in Philadelphia where he befriended Trenier, Shultz, and Spangenberg, all named in the list of musicians providing entertainment for Washington in 1787. He died in the 1793 Philadelphia yellow fever epidemic.

END OF THE ORIGINAL POST

Closing the books…

 

Wednesday Morning – Jason and Steve know

Revisiting Our Ancestors, I found what I had written almost six years ago…


ORIGINAL

Note

I have taken out a picture of a headstone that I had found on Find A Grave. I posted that picture on this blog without asking first permission to do it. It was an honest mistake. I apologized to this person and I told her I had learned my lesson and I was deleting all the articles that were related to the headstone of Exeurie Myers.

It won’t ever happened again.


I have never met Jason West nor Steve Myers personally. I found Steve on a message he had left on a genealogy forum, and I found Jason through Ancestry thanks to a message my 3rd cousin Joe sent him.

Steve has shared with me what little pictures he had of his ancestors… He only had three ships.

USS Dane

U.S.S. Dane

USS Pensacola

U.S.S. Pensacola

USS Stoddard

U.S.S. Stoddard

Now Jason and Steve know all about their Myers ancestors because I have invited them to view my Ancestry tree which has more than 30,000 files.

Remember how all this started in the first place…

A headstone!

Agnes Lagasse

I found it during a little walk in a cemetery with my 3rd cousin Joe.

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Genealogy will become a hobby for now and it will take second stage for my blogs about WWII. There is a lot going out there since last November, and it’s hard to keep proper focus on Our Ancestors.

This being said, Jason’s ancestor was in fact Xavier Myers even if we find the name Exeurie Myers in different documents. His descendants wanting to know more about Exeurie Myers would have a hard time finding who were Exeurie’s ancestors.

This is little Exeurie Myers in the 1861 Canadian Census taken in Stanbridge, Quebec.

1861 Médard Myers

He is listed as Francis Y Miers.

1861 François-Xavier Myers

The census man was an anglophone so he wrote what he had heard in 1861 after he knocked on the door. Francis Y Miers was François-Xavier Myers. His given name came from St. François-Xavier. To know more about that saint, click here, but you don’t have to.

Saint François-Xavier

So what does that census page tell us about little Exeurie? He was 5 years-old in 1861 so his birthyear is around 1856. Is that enough proof? Not enough for any amateur genealogist…

To be continued next week even though I could go on, and on, and on with this… Before I leave for the rest of the week, these are Xavier’s siblings.

Émilie Myers     1838 –

Médard Myers     1840 –

Marie Myers     1843 –

Julien Myers    1848 – 1886

Philomène Myers     1850 –

Marie Myers     1851 – 1883

Jean-Baptiste Myers     1852 –

Rose Myers     1858 –

Exeurie’s sister Rose Myers was born on November 4th, 1858.

Rose Myers 1858

Rose Myers married Louis Lagasse who was born on January 1st, 1854.

Louis Lagasse 1854

Louis Lagasse was this man’s brother.

Dennis Lagasse II

I know all about Louis’ descendants, but I have never heard from any of them. I guess they don’t read this blog. 

Click here.

Then click here if you like war stories…

This is a preview of next Monday’s post.

 

END OF THE ORIGINAL

More tomorrow morning.

Tuesday Morning – Remember?

Note

I wrote a post five years ago on Our Ancestors. It was about a never-ending story that had started with a visit to a cemetery. If it had not been for my third cousin Joe telling me about a headstone I had not noticed, this never-ending story would have never been told on this never-ending blog...


ORIGINAL POST

Do you remember how this never-ending story first started? A headstone I almost missed.

Agnes Lagasse

Agnes Lagaser (Lagasse) had married Julien Myers whose brother was François-Xavier (Exeurie) Myers seen here with Irene Wilcox (Turcotte).

Irene Wilcox and Exeurie Myers

This picture belonged to Jason West.

He had so many pictures he shared with me!

Take a look…

 

And with so many names written in the back to help me find how all these names are linked to our ancestors.

Monday Morning – 10 May 1929

It is not often we have pictures that are dated like the ones I posted yesterday piquing your curiosity.

28a

29a

30a

It is not often we find who were people on old pictures also.

This is what I do best. I have no merit since this is an obsession I am trying to control since 2007. I have not succeeded yet, but I am trying hard. Writing is also an obsession I am trying to control also. This is why I have been posting only on Sunday mornings with some little exceptions.

May 10, 1929…

We are six months away from the Stock market crash, and these people don’t know about it yet.

Sunday Morning – Aiken Vilmer and Calista Maher

I know it must be hard following me, but I got distracted again on Our Ancestors.

Last week I needed to validate this information I had found on Find a Grave about Scholastique Maher, born in Ste-Anne-des-Plaines, Quebec. Scholastique is listed on Find a Grave as Calista Miles Vilmer.

In 1850 Burlington census with husband Aiken “Henry” Vilmer & 7 children in household. They were the parents of 8 or 9 children:

Henry Aiken Jr (1 Nov 1834 – 25 May 1917),

Delphine (1836 – 1868),

Eugene ? (conflicting sources for his parents 1836 – 22 Nov 1912),

Filmore (10 Sep 1837 – 18 Oct 1920),

Joseph (1840 – 23 Jul 1865),

John (1842 – 20 Feb 1915),

Amanda (16 Mar 1842 – 24 Oct 1923),

William ( 10 Feb 1844 – 15 Jul 1921),

Julia (1846 – ?)

Some family members adopted the last name Edwards while others used some form of Vilmer. Neither Aiken nor Calista were literate. Aiken married 2nd Almira Lavine (aka Elmira, Mira, Mary, Marie 1849 – 28 Feb 1896) with this union bringing children Henry E. (15 Aug 1867 – 20 June 1928) and Agnes (8 Nov 1873 – 10 Oct 1918)

VS George (#48722807) supplied this info: baptismal record from Ste-Anne-des-Plaines, Quebec, reads (in translation)
“The 23rd of November one thousand eight hundred and eight, I the undersigned priest baptised Marie Scholastique, born this night, daughter of legitimate marriage of Abraham Maher, farmer of the parish of St-Henri, and of Victoire Lagacé”.

Her marriage record, from the parish of St-Henri-de-Mascouche reads in part, “The 10th of February one thousand eight hundred thirty four, after the reading of three bans of marriage between Etienne Derouin dit Vilmer, son of full age of Etienne Derouin dit Vilmer and of Marie Robinson of this parish of one part, and Scholastique Maher, daughter of full age of the deceased Abraham Maher and of Victoire Lagacée of the parish of the other part, and there being no objection or opposition, I the undersigned priest, with their mutual consent, gave the blessing of marriage.”

The surname is usually spelled Derouard or Drouard.

Aiken and Calista, or Étienne Vilmer and Scholastique Maher, were married on February 10, 1834 in Mascouche about a 22-minute drive from where I live. The names Aiken and Calista were a transformation of the names Étienne and Scholastique.

I found out that Étienne Vilmer was Marguerite Drouard dit Vilmer’s brother. Marguerite Drouard dit Vilmer was Margaret listed in the 1850 U.S. census.

1850 U.S. Census Peter Kayou

She was Felix Myers’ wife. It happened quite a lot when a sibling would marry their spouse’s sibling.

I will now call off this search for the Mahers and the Vilmers until I should stumble upon old photos or if a descendant should write a comment.

Next Sunday morning, I have revisited some old photos from another Myers family who doesn’t share the same ancestors

Exeurie Myers and Sophronie Champagne

Sophranie Champagne dit Beaugrand and Exeurie (Xavier) Myers

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Monday Morning – To be continued next Sunday morning…?

I never expected to find this photo in Joseph Lagacé’s profile in my family tree last week. I have left a comment thanking the person who added it.

I just had to defer my Sunday morning post about Felix Maher. This is what I had intended to post on Sunday morning.


I know searching for your ancestors on Our Ancestors will never end soon. This is Felix Myers’ family tree.

Felix Myers' family tree

Felix Myers was listed in the 1850 U.S. census taken in Colchester, Vermont on September 19, 1850.

That was 169 years-ago.

1850 U.S. Census Peter Kayou

I don’t think anyone in 2019 is thinking about Felix Myers except Kay.

Hi Pierre, Thank you for the very interesting information that you’ve found about the Myers in Quebec. I see that you have found Felix Maher (1800-1886) but there are no sources where this info comes from. Please advise. Thanks, Kay

Felix Myers was the son of Jean Maher and Isabel McDonell.

This is Felix Myers’ wife’s profile.

Marguerite Drouard dit Villemaire's profile

I found four of their children. Felix, George, John and Margaret. Marguerite Drouard dit Vilmer (Villemaire) had at least one brother. His name was Étienne. I found this information about him on the Internet.

In 1850 Burlington census with husband Aiken “Henry” Vilmer &amp; 7 children in household. They were the parents of 8 or 9 children: Henry Aiken Jr (1 Nov 1834-25 May 1917), Delphine (1836-1868), Eugene ? (conflicting sources for his parents 1836-22 Nov 1912), Filmore (10 Sep 1837-18 Oct 1920), Joseph (1840-23Jul 1865), John (1842-20 Feb 1915), Amanda (16 Mar 1842-24 Oct 1923), William ( 10 Feb 1844-15 Jul 1921), Julia (1846-?)

Some family members adopted the last name Edwards while others used some form of Vilmer. Neither Aiken nor Calista were literate. Aiken married 2nd Almira Lavine (aka Elmira, Mira, Mary, Marie 1849-28 Feb 1896) with this union bringing children Henry E. (15 Aug 1867-20 June 1928) and Agnes (8 Nov 1873-10 Oct 1918)

VS George (#48722807) supplied this info: baptismal record from Ste-Anne-des-Plaines, Quebec, reads (in translation)
“The 23rd of November one thousand eight hundred and eight, I the undersigned priest baptised Marie Scholastique, born this night, daughter of legitimate marriage of Abraham Maher, farmer of the parish of St-Henri, and of Victoire Lagacé”.

Her marriage record, from the parish of St-Henri-de-Mascouche reads in part, “The 10th of February one thousand eight hundred thirty four, after the reading of three bans of marriage between Etienne Derouin dit Vilmer, son of full age of Etienne Derouin dit Vilmer and of Marie Robinson of this parish of one part, and Scholastique Maher, daughter of full age of the deceased Abraham Maher and of Victoire Lagacée of the parish of the other part, and there being no objection or opposition, I the undersigned priest, with their mutual consent, gave the blessing of marriage.”

The surname is usually spelled Derouard or Drouard.

Now we are once again back to Scholastique Maher born in Ste-Anne-des-Plaines where on September 2nd, 1980 I was going up 3rd Avenue on my way to my new school…

To be continued…