Sandy wrote me…

And I thought I had figured it all out…

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Hi Pierre,

I think that the photo you posted is of Agnes Alexander and David Bleau’s  wedding photo. By her dress it is the right time frame when I looked at all the dates it could be of everyone getting married in that family. Her clothes date the photo. And if you look at the other photo of David Bleau it is him.

Sandy

about late 1890's Wedding , Bristol, Conn.

 What do you think?

David Bleau Junior mod

I still think this is Philomène Alexandre and Thomas Molloy, but I will never get into an argument with Sandy.

about late 1890's Wedding , Bristol, Conn.

Philomene Alexandre

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I know Fran saw this coming…

I believe this is Philomene Alexandre with her husband Thomas Molloy.

This picture was sent to me in 2010 by my third cousin Sandy. We had no idea who this couple was.

about late 1890's Wedding , Bristol, Conn.

This is from Joe’s collection of cabinet cards I scanned when I visited him in 2012.

unknown young lady

I believe we have the same woman on both pictures.

I know everything about her except how she looked.

I know when she was born…

1864 6 November Philomène Alexandre

I know when she married Thomas Molloy…

1880 31 August marriage Philomene Alexandre Thomas Molloy 1 1880 31 August marriage Philomene Alexandre Thomas Molloy

I know how many children she had…

James Thomas Molloy     1887 –

Jean-Baptiste Molloy     1890 –

Agnes Marie Rose Molloy     1892 – 1894

Bertha Molloy     1893 –

Eva Molloy     1895 – 1896

Albert Molloy     1897 – 1897

I even have a picture of one of her daughters I believe is Bertha Molloy even if the caption on the back says Agnes…

Bertha Molloy

I even know when Philomene Alexandre died…

and how she died.

1906 Philomene Alexander death certificate

Now you know how addictive a picture can be.

Did I need to ask?

Another Virtual Family Reunion

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That’s a lot of posts since September 2009 on this blog about our ancestors and genealogy.

I never got around to post this one.

I wrote it in November 2011. I believe Fran, who is this man’s descendant, is the person who wrote me.

JB Alexander II

Jean-Baptiste Alexandre from Joe’s collection

Jean-Baptiste Alexandre or J. B. Alexander Junior is the brother of these two beautiful young women seen here on Joe’s collection of cabinet cards.

young Myra Alexandre

 Myra Alexandre

Phoebe Alexandre

 Philomene (Phoebe) Alexandre

J. B. might be also this other young woman’s brother.

unknown young lady

I will probably never know who she is even I try to figure out how she is related to the Alexandre family.

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Start reading…

Another far away distant relative of mine has just appeared out of the blue.

She had this picture among many others and what she wrote is this interesting comment…

I looked at the photos of Agnes and the third one from the left, the two sisters, this is the picture I have that say Myra and Phebe. When I looked at the attachment that Joe sent on these women I see that the birth ages are not consistent with the  names on the photos. So my photo is the same as yours, I shall now get out all the pictures I have on this family and see if I can match any. I look forward to more of the same.

Fran’s picture

 She said she had those names in the back… Myra and Phebe.

Sandy had her own theory about who those two were, and I concurred.

You can read it here…

We thought we had Philomene Alexandre and Agnes Alexandre correctly identified  according to Sandy’s theory.

Everything made sense back then…

But is what is on the back of my new found far away distant relative’s picture correct?

Could it be Phebe on the left and Myra on the right instead?

Sometimes what is on the back of pictures is written backwards…

Confused?

Also, could Philomene had gone by the name  Phebe?

So many questions have now arisen… from another far away distant relative of mine who has just appeared out of the blue.

Just like Dennis Lagasse IV last month.

This is going to be another great virtual family reunion.

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End of the intermission…

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Chrétien, tell me more about your family…

Addictive?

I know it is addictive.

I can’t stop being addicted to old pictures.

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I know this woman is related to me.

unknown young lady

The problem is how.

This is another picture of someone who has to be also related.

young woman Bristol

Same photographer…

These two pictures are part of Joe’s collection of cabinets cards.

Addictive?

You tell me…

Old pictures

A little intermission in our search for Chrétien Lemaire’s descendants.

I know I might be hard to follow sometimes.

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Sometimes it takes time to find all about your ancestors.

We have to be patient.

I still have pictures in my collection that beg to be identified.

This young woman is still unknown.

unknown young lady

That picture was taken in Bristol probably in the late 1890s. My cousin Joe had it in his collection of old pictures when I visited him in 2012. He also had this one without a name.

young Myra Alexandre

Myra Alexandre

I knew who she was!

The unknown young woman could be related to Steve, but I doubt it. She could be related to Myra Alexandre.

Sandy had a lot of old pictures in her collection back in 2010 when she first contacted me through Ancestry.

She had this picture.

possible Malvina Lagasse late 1890's Bristol, Conn.

And this one.

Myra and Phebe

Both were unknown sisters back in 2010.

Things have changed a lot since then.

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This picture in Joe’s collection of old pictures was taken around the same time.

young Myra Alexandre

Myra Alexandre

Same photographer, same place…

I took me all this time to figure out what the unknown young woman might be related to Myra Alexandre and her sister Phoebe.

Aunt Phoebe and Aunt Myra

collection of Robin’s old pictures

But I could be wrong, and that young woman might be related more to Steve.

unknown young lady

These old pictures from Sandy’s collection could also be related to Steve.

about late 1890's Wedding , Bristol, Conn.

Someday I am sure we will find out who was who on these pictures.

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And also this one.

Lagasse -Maybe

Chrétien Bracmaer!

This is Chrétien Lemaire’s wife burial act.

Chrétien Brackmaer

Bracmaer…?!?

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Well that’s another way to spell Lemaire isn’t?.

That’s how monsieur le curé Mennard of St-Joseph parish in Chambly, Québec, spelled Chrétien’s surname with a few other typos in the burial act.

Josephte Lagarde

Le trente novembre mil sept cents quatre vingt cinq a été inhumée josette Lagarde décédée le jour précédent agée denviron dixneuf ans femme de Chrétien Bracmaer étaient présents Nicolas demers et autres

Mennard  curé

Translation

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Josephte Lagarde

On November 30th 1785 was buried josette Lagarde who died yesterday at the age of about 19 years-old wife of Chrétien Bracmaer were present Nicolas Demers and others

Mennard  priest

Even if monsieur le curé Mennard spelled it wrong, I think I can safely assume that Chrétien Bracmaer aka Chrétien Lemeyère is Chrétien Lemaire, Steve Myers’ ancestor.

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Chrétien Lemaire got married, but his lovely wife died young. Only one son was born: Jean-Baptiste Lemaire.

With that being settled, for the time being, I can now concentrate on the descendants Jean-Baptiste Lemaire, the son of Chrétien Lemaire and Josephte Vincent dit Lagarde who died in 1785 at the age of 19.

Jean-Baptiste Lemaire would go on in life and marry Marie Paquet in 1808. He would father at least four children:

Jean-Baptiste Lemaire
Julien Lemaire
Médard Myers    November 2, 1813 – 19 May, 1866
Onésime Lemaire    1835 –

To be continued…

What was a Hessian?

Am I digging to deep when looking for ancestors?

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Hessian

This period image shows Hessian soldiers as heartless warriors.

Was Chrétien Lemaire a Hessian?

Was Chrétien Lemaire a heartless warrior?

Read on…

Every school child in America has heard the term “Hessian” in the context of Washington having crossed the Delaware to attack them on Christmas night in 1776. Few people know anything about them, or, if they do, they have a rather “cartoonish” image. In some circles the term has become synonymous with “soldier of fortune,” perhaps because, even in the 18th Century, they were referred to as “mercenaries”.

We must begin by noting that our current concept of a unified, German nation (in no way to be confused with the more recent fall of the Berlin Wall), is a product of the 1870’s. The Germany of the 18th Century was what was left of the old “Holy Roman Empire” of the Middle Ages. It was a somewhat bewildering collection of separate, and autonomous, city-states, duchies, and principalities as large and important as Prussia, and as small and nearly forgotten as Anhalt-Zerbst.

When trying to understand their role in the American Revolution, it is important to recognize that one of these principalities was Hanover, which was governed by it’s “Elector”. That “Elector” happened to be George III of Great Britain (hence the current ruling family of Britain is still, technically known as the “House of Hanover”). Great Britain traditionally relied on its impressive, defensive “moat” — the English Channel, and always maintained a relatively small army in peacetime. These German city-states, being a part of Continental Europe with few natural boundaries, of necessity, had to maintain comparatively large, standing armies for their own safety. Many regarded Great Britain as a natural ally and fought alongside her as such during the Seven Years’ War and earlier conflicts.

Hessian troops

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Hessian reenactors show their drilling style at a Park event.

Being a Constitutional Monarchy, Britain was one of the more liberal governments on Earth. The economy was generally in good shape, so labor was almost always at a premium. Consequently, Britain always found it difficult to raise many new regiments for its army during times of war. Those new men it did recruit (or impress), needed to be trained. The new regiments needed to be exercised with others to become militarily viable. The German princes would often see Britain’s military needs as opportunities to, at the same time:

  • assist an ally
  • provide combat experience for their officer corps
  • keep a portion of their own regiments embodied while someone else was paying for their upkeep.

The soldiers were themselves only mercenaries in the sense that they were paid for their service to their own ruler, just as any member of the U.S. Military is today. A “soldier of fortune” would be someone who acted, on his own, in a sense as a “free agent”, contracting his services to whoever would pay him. In all, George III was able to contract with six of his fellow German princes for the use of some of their troops:

  • Hesse-Cassel
  • Brunswick
  • Hesse Hanau
  • Anspach-Bayreuth
  • Waldeck
  • Anhalt-Zerbst
  • Friedrich, Landgraff of Hesse-Cassel, by far, contributed the most men, so today, as then, we tend to refer to them all as “Hessians” for convenience. This is technically incorrect, but has become a kind of convention to ease understanding. All three of the regiments who occupied Trenton, in December of 1776, along with the detachments of artillery and jaegers (or riflemen), were, in fact from Hesse-Cassel, thus, truly Hessians. They were:
  • The Grenadier Regiment Rall
  • The Fusilier Regiment von Knyphausen
  • The Fusilier Regiment von Lossberg

All of these regiments were under the command of Col. Johann Gottlieb Rall. As grenadiers and fusiliers, they considered themselves elite units and thus, all the enlisted men wore a form of the well known, tall brass miter cap.

These units had already served with valor at the Battle of Long Island, the Battle of White Plains, and the taking of Ft. Washington in the several months prior to their occupation of Trenton.

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Chrétien Lemaire was with the Hesse Hanau Chasseur Corps. That I am sure of.

Did Chrétien Lemaire fight in the U.S. against the Patriots?

Chrétien Lemaire

Chrétien was with Creuzbourg’s Jäger Corps.

Creuzbourg’s Jäger Corps (Jäger-Corps von Creuzbourg) was an independent Jäger battalion raised by the county of Hesse-Hanau and put to the disposition of the British Crown, as part of the German Allied contingent during the American Revolutionary War. The corps fought at the Battle of Oriskany, although mostly serving as garrison of different Canadian posts. (Wikipedia)

Maybe he fought in one battle.

The Battle of Oriskany, fought on August 6, 1777, was one of the bloodiest battles in the North American theater of the American Revolutionary War and a significant engagement of the Saratoga campaign. Early in the siege of Fort Stanwix, an American relief force from the Mohawk Valley under General Nicholas Herkimer, numbering around 800 men of the Tryon County militia and a party of Oneida Indians, approached in an attempt to raise the siege. British commander Barry St. Leger authorized an intercept force consisting of a Hanau Jäger (light infantry) detachment, Sir John Johnson‘s King’s Royal Regiment of New York, Indian allies from the Six Nations and other tribes to the north and west, and Indian Department Rangers totaling at least 450 men.

The Loyalist and Indian force ambushed Herkimer’s force in a small valley about six miles (10 km) east of Fort Stanwix, near the present-day village of Oriskany, New York. During the battle, Herkimer was mortally wounded. The battle cost the Patriots approximately 450 casualties, while the Loyalists and Indians lost approximately 150 dead and wounded. The result of the battle remains ambiguous to this day because the advantage of the Loyalist victory was countered when a party sortied from Fort Stanwix and sacked their camp, spoiling morale among the Indians.

This was one the few battles in the war where almost all of the participants were North American: Loyalists and Indians fought against Patriots in the absence of British soldiers. For the Iroquois nations, the battle marked the beginning of a civil war, as Oneidas under Colonel Louis and Han Yerry allied with the American cause and fought against members of other Iroquois nations. (Wikipedia)

For what I was able to find out, most of the Hesse Hanau soldiers stayed in Canada from 1777 to 1783.

I guess we will never be certain Chrétien Lemaire fought at the Battle of Oriskany.

For more information on Germans in the American Revolution, you can click here.

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– Chrétien what will you do after your discharge?
– I am going to stay here, get married to a lovely fraulein, and raise a family.

When to stop searching for someone’s ancestor?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Chrétien Brackmaer

Is Chrétien Bracmaer Chrétien Lemaire?

This name is on the burial act of Josephte Lagarde.

Chrétien is not present at the funeral.

I could look at all the pages in the parish registers before Josephte Lagarde’s death (November 29, 1785) to look for the birth of Jean-Baptiste Lemaire.

As a matter of fact I did!

From July 1783 through November 30th, 1785.

I found nothing.

I just wanted to find more proof.

Do I need more proof to link Chrétien Lemaire to Jean-Baptiste Lemeyère, and to Steve Myers?

Your guess is as good as mine.

To be continued…

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The file… and the facts

The file… and the facts, and when to stop searching.

This is what started all this research about Steve Myers’ ancestors: a headstone in a cemetery behind St. Joseph Church in Bristol, Connecticut.

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Now this is Johannes Helmut Merz’s file on Chrétien Lemaire I found in 2009 or 2010.

He could not make up this thing.

Chrétien Lemaire

Personal Data Files of German Military Men In Canada 1776-1783.
Compiled by Johannes Helmut Merz. Researcher and Historian.

Lemaire, Christoph (Chretien)    HAJ Hanau Chasseurs.

Sf100p294/95: Lemaire/Lamere, Christoph/-tian, age 40 (1737). Moempelgard, France. Chasseur. Hanau Chasseur Corps, 2. Comp..
on Muster Roll Feb. 1777
discharged in Canada July 1783

S#11p168: Lemaire, Chretien. Hesse Hanau Chasseur. Castendyck’s Comp., discharged in Canada 1783 (Creutzbourg);
Chretien Lemaire, Jaeger. Capt.Kornrumpff’s Co.
March 1777 (MR);
Chretien LeMaire, corporal. Castendyck’s Co.
31. Aug.1779 at Repentigny (PAC Q.16-2).

S#20p307: Lamaire. Christopher, Sergeant (Appendix B. GEL List)

Note:
There is some confusion created by previous historians in respect to this name, claiming that there were two Lemaire’s discharged in Canada in 1783. There was a Brunswick soldier by the name of Anton Lamar, born in the Normandy. France. age 36/02, (1743) (see Lamar file and S#1B).

Updated 19.May 2002.

This file will help me with the chronology of events in Chrétien Lemaire’s life, and help in finding if Chrétien Lemaire was in fact the father of Jean-Baptiste Lemeyère who married Marie Paquet in 1808.

Birth of Chrétien Lemaire: 1737, Montbéliard?

Enlistment: 1777, in France, Montbéliard? (age 40)

Discharge: July 1783, in Canada (age 46)

Marriage: after his discharge in July 1783, in Chambly, Québec? (age 46)

Wife’s death: 29 November 1785, in Chambly, Québec (age 48)

1785 burial Josephte Vincent 30 November 1785

Son’s birth: before 29 November 1785, in Chambly, Québec (age about 47)

Son’s marriage: 7 November 1808, in Chambly, Québec (age 63)

marriage Jean-Baptiste Lemaire Marie Paquet full page

Death: after 7 November 1808, Chambly, Québec? (age 63)

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