Hi Gary… Redux One More Time

Dating an old picture is a most interesting exercise.

Gary wants to know when this picture was taken.

Family  of Joseph Girard and Léocadie Neveu

I think I have found most of Leocadie Neveu’s and Joseph Girard’s children…

Mary L Girard 1868 –

Alfred Girard 1869 –

Rose Gerard 1872 –

Julius Girard 1873 –

Maggie Girard 1875 –

Edward J Gerard 1877 –

Jenny Girard 1879 – 1903

Josephine Gerard 1881 –

Mathilda Girard 1883 –

James Gerard 1885 –

Ella Gerard 1887 –

Sophronia Gerard 1889 –

Mary Girard 1891

Three children are not on the family picture leaving only James as the youngest one.

James, born around 1885 according to a census, would be the little boy on his mother’s lap. He looks to be only a few months old. 

Family  of Joseph Girard and Léocadie Neveu

With this clue, that picture must have been taken around 1886.

Leocadie, born June 15th, 1851 would be 35 years old and she was probably pregnant with Ella. 

If I remember correctly Gary told me in a comment he had a picture of Ella, his ancestor.

That would be great to see it.

Footnote

After finishing my story, I went on Family Search just for fun.

I believe this could be James Gerard on Family Search. His birthdate is February 3rd, 1885.

So this picture would have beeb taken in the fall of 1885 in West Bay City, Michigan.

Family  of Joseph Girard and Léocadie Neveu

 

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Hi Gary…Redux

It always pays to write back.

Gary wants more info on this picture of Maxime Neveu and Scholastique Lauzon with their daughter Leocadie Neveu and her husband Joseph Girard.

Family  of Joseph Girard and Léocadie Neveu

For all I know these are Leocadie and Joseph’s 13 children:

Mary L Girard 1868 –

Alfred Girard 1869 –

Rose Gerard 1872 –

Julius Girard 1873 –

Maggie Girard 1875 –

Edward J Gerard 1877 –

Jenny Girard 1879 – 1903

Josephine Gerard 1881 –

Mathilda Girard 1883 –

James Gerard 1885 –

Ella Gerard 1887 –

Sophronia Gerard 1889 –

Mary Girard 1891

I don’t have more pictures about that family except a picture of Jenny.

Jenny Girard

Jenny married this man, Dolphis Lalonde.

Dolphis Lalonde

I wrote about Jenny and Dolphis on this post. Jenny (1879-1903) had two children, Bertranda and Clarence Arthur (1902-1956). Dolphis (1875-1972) remarried with Mary Anne Plourde. I found at least one child, Francis Leo Lalonde (1909-1980).

How to go about identifying who is who on that picture?

Elementary my dear Watson…

detective

neveu family

Hi Gary…

Hi Gary,

I have tried to send a second invitation using Ancestry.
I don’t know if the system sent you the invite.
Usually the system will send me an e-mail telling me the person I invited has accepted.

I am not that closely related to the Neveus.
Some of these people’s ancestors come from where I live right now.

Family  of Joseph Girard and Léocadie Neveu

How I came to add them in my family tree is a long long story that I have written on my blog Our Ancestors.

First post…

https://steanne.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/a-most-welcome-visit-to-sainte-anne-des-plaines/

That blog was created to reach out for descendants of people having ancestors who lived in Ste-Anne-des-Plaines.

Crazy idea isn’t?

Not that crazy.

Pierre

Robert J. Ritchie, the son of a Gold Star Mother Redux

What is so special about Odna?

This picture of young Odna…

This has to be her picture.

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Odna was born on October 18th, 1893 in Connecticut. She died on March 19th, 1983.  I am sure Odna never got over the lost of her two boys Robert Ritchie and William Ritchie.

This is the same article I posted on this blog in 2012. I did not have any picture of Odna to show you. Odna was just a name in a family tree in 2010… A daughter of Dennis Lagassey III and Amanda Ménard.

Just a name.

Then she became a name in an obituary. Then she became a Gold Star Mother.

START

Sometimes when you look for relatives while doing your family tree, you come across obituaries…

Like the one I posted yesterday on this blog.

Sometimes an obituary has to get to the point.

The obituary quickly mentions that Odna lost two boys in WWII, William and Robert.

Both were my 2nd cousins.

William Ritchie (1921 – 1944) and Robert J Ritchie (1925 – 1945) who were

the sons of Odna Lagasse (1893 – 1983) who was

the daughter of Dennis Lagasse III (1864 – 1922) who was

the son of Dennis Lagasse II (1842 – 1927) who was

the father of Léo Lagacé Senior (1888 – 1964) who was

the father of Léo Lagacé Junior (1927 – 1995) who was my father…

Odna Lagasse was a Gold Star mother twice.

Just in case you would like to know more about Robert J. Ritchie who gave his life for his country and did not have the chance to have his own descendants, and more about his mother Odna Lagasse…

Please take the time to read what I found and just try to imagine how Odna or Odna felt being a Gold Star mother for the second time when she received a telegram from the War Departement when everyone else was rejoicing because WWII was finally over…

Just try to imagine the look on her face.

Probably the same look as the five Sullivan brothers‘ mother when they broke the news to her about her five boys.

USS Bullhead (SS-332) – Ship’s History

Researched by: Robert Loys Sminkey

Commander, United States Navy, Retired

USS Bullhead (SS-332), named for any large-headed fish, especially the catfish, miller’s thumb, and sculpin, was constructed by the Electric Boat Company at Groton, Connecticut. Her keel was laid down on 21 October 1943. Mrs. Howard R. Doyle christened the submarine and she was launched on 16 July 1944. The Balao Class boat was commissioned on 4 December 1944 with Commander Walter T. Griffith in command.

When commissioned, the Fleet Type submarine displaced 1,526 tons on the surface when in diving trim and drew 16’10” of water when in that condition; displaced 2,391 tons when submerged; was 311’8″ in length overall; had a beam of 27’3″; could make 20 1/4 knots on the surface and 8 3/4 knots submerged (for one hour); could dive safely to 400 feet; was manned by 6 officers and 60 enlisted men; and was armed with one 5-inch deck gun and ten 21-inch torpedo tubes (six in the bow and four in the stern). Twenty-four torpedoes were carried. The submarine could also carry and lay mines.

The Second World War operations of USS Bullhead extended from 21 March to August of 1945 during which time she completed two war patrols. Her area of operations included the Java and South China Seas and the Gulf of Siam.

USS Bullhead sank four enemy ships, totaling 1,800 tons, and damaged three ships, for 1,300 tons, during her first two war patrols.

Her first patrol was made in the South China Sea from the latter part of March to the end of April 1945. No enemy contacts were made, but, on 31 March, and again on 24 April, USS Bullhead bombarded Pratas Island with her 5-inch deck gun. She also rescued three airmen from a downed B-29 bomber following an air strike on the China coast.

In May and June of 1945, USS Bullhead patrolled the Gulf of Siam and the South China Sea during her second war patrol. There, she sank two small freighters, a schooner, and a submarine chaser…and damaged two more submarine chasers and another small freighter…all in gun actions on the surface.

Departing Fremantle, Australia, for her third war patrol, USS Bullhead, under the command of Lieutenant Commander Edward R. Holt, Junior, on 31 July 1945, started for her patrol area (from Longitude 110 Degrees East to Longitude 115 Degrees East…in the Java Sea). She was to leave her patrol area at dark on 5 September and head for Subic Bay in the Philippine Islands. USS Capitaine (SS-336) and USS Puffer (SS-268) were also to patrol in the Java Sea area, as were the British submarines HMS Taciturn and HMS Thorough.

USS Bullhead arrived in her assigned area on 6 August, but USS Capitaine did not arrive until 13 August. On 12 August, USS Capitaine ordered USS Bullhead to take position the following day in a scouting line with USS Capitaine and USS Puffer. There was no reply from USS Bullhead, and, on 15 August, USS Capitaine reported to headquarters:

“Have been unable to contact USS Bullhead by any means since arriving in area.”

Since those submarines named above were in the same general area as USS Bullhead…and USS Cod (SS-224) and USS Chub (SS-329) passed through in transit at various times, it is difficult to point to one Japanese antisubmarine attack as the one which sank USS Bullhead. However, the most likely one occurred on 6 August 1945, when an enemy army plane attacked with depth charges in:

Position: Latitude: 8 Degrees 20′ South Longitude: 115 Degrees 42′ East.

The Japanese aircraft claimed two direct hits, and, for ten minutes thereafter, there was a great amount of gushing oil and air bubbles rising in the water. Since the position given is very near the Bali Island coast, it is presumed that the proximity of mountain peaks shortened USS Bullhead’s radar range and prevented her from obtaining early warning of the approach of the airplane…which sank her.

USS BullHead (SS-332) received two battle stars for her service during the Second World War.

The following personnel were USS Bullhead’s ship’s company during that submarine’s third war patrol…and all went with her on the last dive:

Alfred Aiple, Junior…Quartermaster Second Class

Harold A. Anderson…Yeoman Second Class

Robert H. Barringer…Seaman First Class

George L. Bell…Motor Machinist’s Mate First Class

James D. Benner…Seaman First Class

Walter E. Bertram…Motor Machinist’s Mate Second Class

Harold R. Bridgstock…Radio Technician Second Class

Ralph M. Brume…Motor Machinist’s Mate Second Class

Kadzmir J. Buczek…Torpedoman’s Mate Second Class

Richard B. Burns…Chief Torpedoman’s Mate

Ray W. Church…Motor Machinist’s Mate First Class

James F. Collins…Electrician’s Mate Third Class

Howard E. Crandall…Motor Machinist’s Mate Third Class

Elmer M. Dahl…Motor Machinist’s Mate Third Class

Glen M. Davidson…Fireman First Class

Jerry K. Davidson…Motor Machinist’s Mate Second Class

Charles J. Day…Electrician’s Mate Second Class

Charles W. Dougherty…Ship’s Cook First Class

Edward M. Engebretsen…Chief Quartermaster

James R. Fahey…Radioman Third Class

Ralph G. Foster…Fireman First Class

Kenneth E. Foust…Quartermaster Third Class

Fred C. Fritz…Radioman Second Class

Charles W. Gay…Electrician’s Mate Third Class

Joseph P. Gilheany, Junior…Radioman Third Class

Paul A. Gossett…Lieutenant Junior grade

Clyde M. Graves…Seaman First Class

William F. Greaves…Electrician’s Mate Third Class

Hubert B. Hackett…Signalman Second Class

E. D. Hackman, Junior…Lieutenant

John L. Hancock…Gunner’s Mate Second Class

John J. Harris…Quartermaster Third Class

William P. Hawkins…Boatswain’s Mate Second Class

George V. Heaton…Motor Machinist’s Mate Second Class

Thomas P. Helferich…Chief Motor Machinist’s Mate

Donald O. Hendrikson…Lieutenant Junior Grade

Edward R. Holt, Junior…Lieutenant Commander…Commanding

LaVerne W. Huisman…Seaman First Class

William Ireland…Torpedoman’s Mate Second Class

Lester L. Jenkins…Electrician’s Mate Second Class

James R. Jensen…Electrician’s Mate Third Class

Fred J. Jewell…Quartermaster Second Class

Percy Johnson, Junior…Signalman First Class

Joseph W. Jones…Chief Electrician’s Mate

Richard A. Keister…Radio Technician Third Class

Jacob J. Kopf…Electrician’s Mate Third Class

W. A. Kulczycki…Ensign

Oscar V. Nassas…Torpedoman’s Mate Second Class

Roy K. Marin…Motor Machinist’s Mate Second Class

Jack P. Markham…Torpedoman’s Mate Third Class

Harry A. McDermott…Motor Machinist’s Mate Third Class

George P. Morgan…Torpedoman’s Mate Third Class

Paul W. Olson…Fireman First Class

Paul F. Overbeek…Seaman First Class

Richard W. Palmer…Fireman First Class

William J. Parks…Gunner’s Mate First Class

Joseph J. Parpal…Lieutenant Junior Grade

Robert M. Pattengale…Torpedoman’s Mate Third Class

Robert S. Patterson…Sonarman Second Class

William M. Peart…Electrician’s Mate First Class

Robert J. Perry…Motor Machinist’s Mate First Class

Keith R. Phillips…Lieutenant…Executive Officer

Carl W. Piatt…Ship’s Cook Third Class

Richard A. Pinder…Chief Motor Machinist’s Mate

William J. Ralston, Junior…Torpedoman’s Mate Third Class

Robert J. Ritchie…Electrician’s Mate Third Class

John A. Roberts…Electrician’s Mate First Class

Jesse Sandoval…Seaman First Class

Lee A. Schlegel…Fireman First Class

Orville G. H. Schmidt…Fireman First Class

William F. Short…Torpedoman’s Mate First Class

Bert Shuey, Junior…Ship’s Cook Third Class

Dale M. Siefken…Fire Controlman Second Class

Jack Simms, II…Lieutenant Junior Grade

Edward M. Smida…Pharmacist’s Mate First Class

Carl J. Smith…Chief Radioman

William M. Smith…Chief Electrician’s Mate

Frank T. Stifter…Radio Technician Second Class

Raymond W. Strassle…Lieutenant Junior Grade

Charles H. Taylor…Seaman First Class

Melvin Tobias…Motor Machinist’s Mate Third Class

Andrew T. …Chief Motor Machinist’s Mate

Lyle L. Webb…Seaman First Class

Elmer J. Wiersma…Motor Machinist’s Mate Third Class

9 Officers

75 Enlisted Men

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84 Total…Lost in USS Bullhead (SS-332)

A Memorial Website exists…

Click here.

Wikipedia…?

Some pictures…

END

We now have a better picture of Robert to share with you, and a clearer picture of how Odna felt when she read the telegram about Robert.

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Robert Ritchie and William Ritchie

Odna!

That’s what I said in my head when I saw that picture Donna sent me.

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It has to be Odna.

I just hope I am right.

Sharing

Donna has been sharing a lot of her precious pictures since she wrote this comment earlier this year about something I had posted on this blog.

Here name is definitely Odna, not Edna.  
In the picture you sent she is in the second row on the right.  
The young lady in the white dress.  
One of her sisters was named Mary and the youngest was Antoinette “Toni”.  
Those are the two I remember knowing in my youth.

Odna Lagasse

The young lady in the white dress was Odna.

Odna Lagasse was Donna’s grandmother.

Donna just sent me these pictures.

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Donna pictures 3

Donna pictures 4

Donna pictures 5

Donna pictures 6

Donna pictures

I will let you comment on these before I process them.

I Know Someone Who Is Going to Be Very Happy… Redux

This is what I wrote in 2011. You will understand how I came to know Paul and his brother Albert.

I did not have much to write about on this blog since I wrote about my good friend Ron Depatie  down in Ontario.

Well until this afternoon when someone wrote a comment…

Dear Mr. Lagacé,

My name is Paul Dauphin and I live in North Carolina.  I very much enjoy receiving and reading your blogs every day.  

My mother (Florence Charbonneau) was from Ste-Anne des Plaines.  Her father was Arthur Charbonneau and her mother was Alice Leclerc. 

Arthur’s father was Ovide Charbonneau (I enjoyed the hockey connection in one of your blogs).  She had two brothers: Remi and Flavien.  Flavien was a priest.  She also had a sister – Anita.  All are interred in Ste-Anne des Plaines, except my mother.  She is interred in St. Johnsbury, Vermont where I was born.

Ovide was married to Onezime Vezeau and their children were: Arthur (my grandfather), Joseph, Anna, Henri, and Rev. P. Albert.  

All this is to introduce myself and put into context why I am so interested in your blogs.  I will be visiting Ste-Anne this July around the 12th to the 14th.  My wife and brother and I will be going to the cemetery to pay our respects to my aunts and uncles as well as the ancestors that haven’t met.  I am also trying to get in touch with some of my relatives who I haven’t seen in over 30 years.

I would very much like to meet you if that is possible.  I have many photographs in which you might be interested in for your research.  I have two photographs of old houses in Ste-Anne – one is the house of Ovide Charbonneau and the other is of the house of François Charbonneau.

I have many other old photos of  people in Ste-Anne that I would gladly share.
I have pictures of Laure Estelle and Sylvio Léveillé, who are related and may be related to you? Also of Gerard and Rita Alari.  Rita and Laure Estell are Charbonneaus.

In any case I would love to sit and chat with you and buy you the beverage of your choice.

At this time I have booked rooms at the Hotel Best Western Plus St. Jerome.  If you have a better suggestion closer to Ste-Anne it would be greatly appreciated.  

I hope that you don’t mind that I wrote to you in English (much easier for me) but I can try to write you in French if you prefer.  I read and speak French moderately well.  

Hoping to hear from you,

Paul

I know some guy in Ontario with roots in Ste-Anne-des-Plaines who is going to be very happy to read my articles once more… and meet a 6th cousin.