Who’s who in my zoo?

Post 799!

Rosh used that expression in a comment after I wrote this:

Don’t read too many in one day.
Don’t rush into this.
Your head will spin

She wrote back…

I know. It already is. I’ll make sense of it over time. I’ve spent years figuring out who’s who in my zoo.

Comments are most often overlooked which is a shame.

Here are a few gem comments posted lately.

From Richard Lemaire about my posts on the Myers and Chrétien Lemaire…

My ancestor Jean-Baptiste Lemaire married Marie-Madeleine Darche at St. Joseph in Chambly in 1786.

He was born in Besancon, Doubs, Franche Comté circa 1753, son of Joseph or Claude Joseph Lemaire and Jeanne Costille.  Tradition says he was with the French Troops under Rochambeau along with a brother Claude (Marie) Lemaire and uncle Laurent Costille.

Claude returned to France via Barbados. JB and uncle went on to Canada.

I am writing this as I had a researcher insists JB was Chretien’s son. I know there were two JBs in Chambly at this time.

Thanks for reading.

Richard

From Aquila about my post on Find a Grave…

I have to agree with what he wrote, Pierre. I was preparing the memorial for a family member and when I went to add it to Find a Grave discovered that someone else had already entered a memorial but with no real information. I asked if they would transfer the memorial to me and was told no, it would reduce their collection of memorials. I would rather see the control of the memorials on Find a Grave in the hands of family members rather than collectors. It was a painful and sad realization that my family member was no longer mine in death and that their memorial was a just a way of counting coup and had no other meaning for the person in control of it.

As a footnote to this 799th post…

My father was born on August 31st, 1927.

He would have been 87 today and be a great-grandfather for a fourth time.

Instead he had decided to leave this Earth completely broken by life at 69 on August 27th, 1995.

Léo Lagacé Junior Repos St-François d'Assise

August 27th, 1995. That’s the last time I saw him even if he was too ashamed to see his three loving children before he left this Earth.

Around 11 PM he turned towards me and this broken-hearted little child found inner peace.

leo lagace 1931

We’re never sure of anything aren’t we…?

This is true.

I really wanted to post articles on this blog only on Mondays and write about how I met your ancestors, and not having Rosh read all that I have written on Our Ancestors since September 2009.

But Patricia really got me going with this message she sent earlier this month in my Ancestry inbox…

I believe that Philomene Alexandre and Thomas Malloy are the great grandparents I have been searching for. My father was Francis J Malloy who was son of Ada Pendlebury and Thomas J Malloy. He was placed in an orphanage in 1914 so little is known about his family. Would you share any information you have.
Thank you,
Patricia

Proof…

This tintype picture was sent by Robin on the West Coast in November 2011. Robin is part of the A-Team as well as Sandy, Joe, Dennis IV, Susan, Ed, Fran…

The A-Team

the Alexandre Family

It was part of this collection which belonged to Sylvia Bleau Combe the daughter of Agnes Alexandre.

I had to look up for the date I posted them on this blog because I have posted many old pictures on this blog to get people’s attention.

What about this picture?

the Alexandre Family

Who’s the woman holding up a baby?

I always thought it was Helene Alexandre (Nellie Alexander) with her two sons Joseph Bleau (1891) and David (1893). But now I am not sure anymore. It made sense in 2011. Myra Alexandre was there, so was Agnes. The “old” man had to be Jean-Baptiste Alexandre and the old lady Philomene Lagacé.

Could it be that Philomene Alexandre is there with her two sons Thomas James Malloy (1887) and John Malloy (1890)?

Could be… 

When to stop searching for your ancestors even if they are not mine per se, but an extended family?

Are you still reading this blog?

If you are still reading my blog you have the answer.

Footnote to this post

I had this note about Helene on my Ancestry family tree.

Pierre,

Enjoying all your entries to your blog. I may have info on Philomene Lagasse and JB Alexandre’s daughter, Helene.

For some reason, which I can not explain, I had her down as Abeline (baptized on 24 June 1867, Notre Dame de Stanbridge). Today I received an invitation to a birthday party for  one of my Mother’s  Bleau cousin, who is the granddaughter of Joseph Henry Bleau and Helen Alexander.

Her brother had told me ages ago that their uncle had married an Alexander. I did their line back around 2001 so I never made a connection until today when I checked my Family Tree and saw the names of their grandparents. He never gave me any other info on the Bleau line as he knew I was doing my maternal grandparents’ lines. I will be seeing them August 4 and will discover if I am right. Remember the photo of JB Alexandre and Philomene Lagasse with two daughters and two children?

If I am right, one of the children is their Dad, born 1891 in North Adams, MA.

If so, we are related through my maternal grandfather and through my maternal grandmother’s side. I am hoping they might have some photos of the Bleau line.

They have two great albums of their Mother’s family. I will get back to you when I get direct info from the Bristol Bleaus.

Fran

PS

Have you a definite identity the young ladies in the great photo of Philomene in the center and her daughters around her?

John Molloy, Thomas James Malloy’s brother

This is not going to be a happy post.

In my ongoing search for Thomas James Molloy who married Philomene Alexandre, I contacted a Find a Grave member because he had this headstone.

It’s the headstone of John Molloy (Malloy) who was Thomas James Malloy’s brother. Maybe he was somewhat related to the Malloys so I wrote him a message.

I wanted permission to use it on Ancestry and on this blog.

John Molloy headstone

Little did I know that…

This is the biography he wrote..

To see contributors relying on eighty year old data based SOLELY upon what what was transcribed decades ago is not what I believe FAG is about. They duplicate memorials because the data they based their memorials upon is abundant with misspellings. Memorials that read Name “Unknown” — Date of Birth “Unknown” — Date of Death “Unknown” — Cemetery “Unknown.” What benefit is that entry to the viewer? Tens of thousands of memorials with a couple hundred photographs, and few if any links to family members to me signals a problem.

Considering this, I couldn’t agree more with the following statement a saw on a fellow contributor’s profile.

“I think it is a real shame what findagrave has evolved into. What started as a noble way to link people with graves of loved ones they could never hope to see, and with the generations that had preceded them, has turned into a game for some. Memorials have turned into a kind of “trading card”, a competition of who can own the most memorials and post the highest numbers. What has been forgotten by many is that these were people, loved in life and death, not a commodity to be traded or owned.
With my apologies to those that have pure motives. I hope there are more of us than there are of them.”

His widow is the one who contacted me.

Hi Pierre,
 
I am writing to inform you that John past away two months ago.  I am his wife and I do not have an issue with you using the picture or writing about what John wrote on your blog. 
 
Sincerely,
Johanne

When to stop?

After I have put on the Internet all the information I could gather on these cabinet cards…

 

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I am wondering if Patricia is getting tired of all the information I have fed her. In point of fact she is the one who is afraid I am going to get tired.

Rest in peace Patricia because this quest for your ancestors will never end.

John Molloy headstone

Thomas James Malloy’s and Ada Pendlebury’s children

This is what I found to help Patricia.

Francis Joseph Malloy 1909 – 1975
Joseph Roy Malloy 1910 –
Phoebe Malloy 1911 –
No Name Malloy 1915 –
Mildred Ruth Malloy 1915 – 1928

All births are documented.

If this is what I believe is Francis…

picture of a young child - Adams, Massachusetts

Why did his parents place in an orphanage in 1914?

If this is really Francis Joseph Malloy, are these people his relatives?

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You tell me…

Is this young child Francis Joseph Malloy, the father of Patricia?

picture of a young child - Adams, Massachusetts

You tell me…

Francis J Malloy

Francis Joseph Malloy
U.S. Coast Guard WWII
Aleutian Islands

Quonset hut in the background

montage Francis Joseph Malloy

Francis was born in 1909 and was put in an orphanage in 1914. He never knew why. Patricia wanted to know why because Francis’ parents had more children after Francis.

I have always wanted to understand how someone could put a little boy in an orphanage and never see him again. The “whys” of it continue to haunt me.When he died, I promised myself I would try to find out his story and until now had hit brick walls.

The little child’s picture was part of Joe’s collection of old pictures. I did not pay too much attention to it since there was no caption. The only clue is the photographer… Parsons – Adams, Mass.

Francis was born there!

These are more pictures from Joe’s collection.

 

I am sure these people are related somehow to Francis.

The problem is how?

Sweet dreams Patricia

This is what I wrote last week to Patricia my new found third cousin once removed. 

I was reflecting…

How do you feel being reconnected with your extended family?

I am just overwhelmed by all I have found on the Alexandre family.
I have so many pictures yet so many are of unknown people like you could see.

I am just thinking about how I would feel seeing pictures for the first time of the Lagacé family in the late 1800s and early 1900s from a complete stranger.

Pierre

Patricia is the person who had written a comment a month ago on my Ancestry tree.

She finally took a look at my family tree, and this is what she had sent me.

Pierre,

I almost cannot explain the feelings I have surrounding this discovery.  My entire life, as long as I can remember anyway, has been spent in awe of this wonderful man who came from nothing and had no one.  His attitude toward life and love was something we could all benefit from.  I have always wanted to understand how someone could put a little boy in an orphanage and never see him again. The “whys” of it continue to haunt me.When he died, I promised myself I would try to find out his story and until now had hit brick walls.  I feel grateful to you and others who continued to pursue your searches and are kind enough to share.  I am grateful for Ancestry’s DNA match. Who knew I was 47% Irish.  I suspected daddy’s father might have come from Ireland based on our family name but had not been able to prove it.  I get almost giddy with the search. There is something new to discover at every turn and even small bits of information excite me.

Feelings:  excitement, gratitude, love, wonderment, surprise, thanksgiving and so much more.

It makes me want to jump on a plane and spend time in Quebec again to walk where they did and to meet these cousins I didn’t know I had.  Coming from such a small family, connections seem more important to me than every.  Even if it is 3rd cousins.  Perhaps at 68 I am getting more conscious of time constraints. 
 
Thank you,
 
Pat

 

Sweet dreams Patricia.

You’re not alone anymore.