Can you imagine…

Can you imagine finding a distant cousin who knows all about some of your ancestors and who writes about them in French and in English?

Well you can stop imagining.

This is no April fools’ last day.

This is a true story!

A proud descendant of Honoré Sauvé and Julie Leroux wrote a message on my Ancestry site last week.

Honoré Sauvé and his wife Julie Leroux

She is the first one to write me about my maternal great-great-grandparents and she found herself a new distant cousin… 

Hey Mom… When I grow older I will write blogs!

and a whole lot of new ancestors to go around.

Pierre Lagacé is a descendant of Honoré Sauvé who is a descendant of Pierre Sauvé and Marie-Renée Michel Michaud who are the ancestors of all the Sauvés, Sauves, Sauvies, Sovies,… in America.

Click here to visit a Website dedicated to the Sauvé lineage.

You won’t find Honoré Sauvé in history books nor Pierre Sauvé for that matter.

This is why I write a lot about my ancestors on my blog.

- Honoré my dear… You are so famous now!
– Famous? Wait till he talks about your ancestor Anne-Marie Von Seck!

I started writing about Honoré on the French version of this blog about genealogy back in 2008.

Click here if you can read French.

My aunt Evelyne had two precious plastic grocery bags full of old pictures. I scanned them all.

I scanned the pictures… Not the grocery bags…  This one was of course in the precious plastic grocery bags.


It was enough to get addicted to genealogy.

I then started writing about these pictures and I used this next photo for one of the first articles.


The Binette family from Sainte-Justine-de-Newton.

It was the only group picture in my aunt’s collection. This photo is interesting because it was the first time I had tried to identify who the people were.

I told myself back in 2008 that it might help someone down the road.

Mélina Sauvé was the easiest to identify… She was the daughter of Honoré and Julie.

Hilaire, even with his beard, was child’s play…

Their children were harder to identify though.

I had to rely on the Canadian censuses even though they are not that reliable. 

Four years later…

All this research has borne fruit.

Next time, who are the children?

Stanislas Lagasse I is the ancestor of thousands of Americans

So now we have identified another descendant of Stanislas Lagasse I (1816-1900)…

A new grandson.

JB Alexander was the son of Philomene Lagasse who was Stanislas Lagasse I’s daughter.

Since 2010 we have been able to identify many descendants.


 

I knew a lot about Jean-Baptiste Alexandre with this obituary that Joe had sent me in 2010

JOHN B. ALEXANDER (1862-1936)

John B. Alexander, aged 73 years, died at his home, 92 Riverside avenue, this morning following an illness of a week, though he had been ailing for the past three years.

The funeral will be held at his home at 7:30 o’clock Wednesday morning with a high mass of requiem in St. Ann’s Church at 8 a.m.  Interment, in charge of Undertaker James J. Dunn, will be in the new St. Joseph’s Cemetery.

Mr. Alexander was born in St. Charles, P.Q., Canada , on June 28, 1862, son of John and Filomena Alexander.  His early life was spent in his native place,  He came to this city twenty-three years ago.  He was employed for sixteen years by the city, retiring three years ago on account of his health.  He was a member of the St. Jean Baptiste Society and of St. Ann’s Church.

Mr. Alexander was twice married.  He is survived by his wife, Mrs. Adile C. Alexander; five sons, Lionel Alexander, of this city; Joseph Alexander, of Cheshire, David, Henry and George Alexander, of this city; five daughters, Misses Beatrice and Irene Alexander of this city, Mrs. Napoleon Gingras of New Britain, Mrs. Albert Choiniere of Bristol, and Mrs. Ernest Sorel of New Britain; two sisters, Mrs. William Archambeault and Miss Mary Alexander, of this city; and one brother, Peter Alexander, of this city.

Born in St. Charles, P.Q., Canada , on June 28, 1862?

I don’t think so…


June 23, 1862 in Notre-Dame-de-Stanbridge. His godfather was Stanislas Lagacé, his maternal grandfather, and Marguerite Marchand his paternal grandmother.


Another beautiful chapter opens up on this blog as many more thousands Americans will link up with their ancestors thanks to JB Alexander having been identified and to a lot more information to help us.


 

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Young Man 2

Young Man 2

This picture was in the same collection with Young Man 1.

Young Man 1

We now know that young man 1 was Jean-Baptiste Alexandre born in 1862.

I presume that young man 2 is Jean-Baptiste’s younger brother.

I presume.

I have got to start somewhere.

Who could he be?

We might find a clue in their mother’s obituary…

Philomene LAGASSE-59
Death (12 March 1920): BRISTOL PRESS 13 March 1920

Mrs. Libbie Alexander widow of the late John Alexander died at the home of her son David Alexander 149 Park St. last evening as a result of complications due to old age.
She had been an invalid for several years.

Mrs. Alexander was born in Quebec, Canada 79 years ago. She spent her early years there. She was married in 1869 to John Alexander. They moved to the state and lived for some time in North Adams, Mass. They came to Bristol twenty six years ago and made their home here. Mr. Alexander died in 1914.

Mrs. Alexander is survived by four daughters: Mrs. David Bleau, Mrs. William Archambeault and Miss Mary Alexander of Bristol and Mrs. Phoebe Lustrich of Brooklyn, NY. By Three sons: John, David, and Peter Alexander all of Bristol, and by many grand children and great grand children, she was one of the well known French residents and was a member of St. Ann’s Church.

The funeral will be held at St. Ann’s Church at 9 o’clock Monday morning. Rev. Joseph P. Perreault will conduct the services.

John is still living in 1920 as well as David and Peter.

I would presume young man 2 could be either David Alexandre or Peter Alexandre.

But then I could be wrong and Young Man 2 could be Siffroid!

Jean-Baptiste Alexandre 1862-1936

This man might be your ancestor.

Ed’s grandfather

Ed’s grandfather was the father of 18 children. Of course Jean-Baptiste Alexandre II was not the only one involved.

He married twice.

First he married Caroline Ménard.

Caroline died while giving birth to their 8th child. He was a baby boy who died at birth.

I don’t have a picture of Caroline. I only have her birth certificate.

That’s not much to go on, but when you are searching for your ancestors, or those who are related to your ancestors like Caroline, it opens new venues.

I knew very little about Jean-Baptiste Alexandre and Caroline Ménard.

Fran wrote a comment on this blog a few months ago…

Thrilled with the photos.

My maternal grandmother was the daughter of JB Alexandre and Caroline Menard (Amanda’s sister, married to Stanislaus Lagasse).

She was the niece of Myra Alexandre Archambeault.

The only photos I have of the Alexandres is my grandmother’s wedding photo, which includes her sister Amelia, a photo of her dad and a photo of adults identified as Alexandres. The last two sent by his grandson’s wife. I would love permission to copy the photos.

I know they do not fall within copywrite law: but I would like to add the identified ones to my research and cite your site as the source. I have never sent/forwarded photos but I will try to send them to you.

Fran

Fran joigned the A-Team with her pictures I posted.

She is the one who has formally identified Jean-Baptiste Alexandre II.

She also gave me the names of all of his children.

With 1st wife Caroline Philomena MENARD    (1863 – 1895)

Angeline Marie Alexandre   1882 – 1922

Evelyne Caroline ALEXANDRE  1884 – 1965  (Mrs. Napoleon Gingras)

JB Hormisdas ALEXANDRE 1885 – 1896

Joseph Arthur Alexandre    1888 – 1888

Emile ALEXANDRE    1890 – 1918

Alice Louise ALEXANDRE  1892 – 1956      (Mrs. Albert Choiniere)

Amelia ALEXANDRE        1894 – 1950      (Mrs. Ernest Sorel)

baby ALEXANDRE            1895 – 1895

With 2nd wife Odila COURCHAINE    (1873 – 1959)    Obit has her name as “Adile”

Lionel J. ALEXANDRE      1900 -

Beatrice A. ALEXANDRE  1903 – 1991

Joseph H. ALEXANDRE    1904 -

David Joseph ALEXANDER  1907 – 1975

Annette ALEXANDRE   1910 -

Blanche ALEXANDRE   1910 – 1917

Antony A. ALEXANDRE  1911 – 1930

Henry R. ALEXANDER      1913 – 1988

Irene Margaret ALEXANDER  1915 – 1964

George Roland ALEXANDER    1917 – 1998

The only photos I have of the Alexandres is my grandmother’s wedding photo, which includes her sister Amelia

I would really like to see that wedding picture…

Got the go-ahead

I just got the go-ahead to tell you more about this picture I posted last week…

young man 1

Yes you can pass on the pictures and info. Maybe someone will be able to identify someone in the group photo. If the photo dates to about 1880 the older couple could be David Alexandre and his wife, Marguerite Marchand.

 Thank you and enjoy.

I never post anything without asking permission first.

This is the group picture I was waiting to show you.

The picture that I had posted last week is Jean-Baptiste Alexandre.

Jean-Baptiste Alexandre 1862-1936

He was known as John Alexander, son of John Alexander and Philomene Lagasse. This is his father and mother with his three sisters, Myra, Agnes and Helen, and most probably the two children of Helen.

How do I know?

Here is one of the pictures I was holding up also.

Jean-Baptiste Alexandre

Same man.

Here is the group photo once again.

At first glance I don’t recognize anyone not even Jean-Baptiste Alexandre.

It took us two years to find the identity of young man 1.

Maybe someone down the road will help us find who these people are.

The only clue is that the person who gave us this picture said this was the Alexandre family.

Next time I will tell you more about Jean-Baptiste Alexandre who married twice and had 18 children.

Jean-Baptiste Alexandre aka young man 1

Do you believe in numerology?

I am not skeptic by nature.

I like to explore and then make my own idea about something.

This is a website that gives you an analysis of your character analysis using our name and your birthdate.

Click here

You can use it with an ancestor.

This is what I found on my great-grandmother Henriette Alexandre born on April 6, 1845.

Analysis

Personality of Henriette Alexandre (4/6/1845)

Your expression number – the 8 – summarizes your first and your last name and accounts for your wholesomeness and your acute sense of justice. Your incredible energy somewhat needs some focusing. You are adamant and you refuse half-measures.

Quite a tornado!

You always need activities at a sustained rhythm, you can’t stand relying on the others and you are continually seeking balance. You need to watch your sense of authority and your inclination for stubbornness.

You are combative and concrete by nature and you enjoy taking risks… This what helps you in adversity.

In short: Avoid your occasional stubborn and pushy reactions and use your energy for a fair cause: there is no better balance!
 
Your first name – Henriette – shaped by number 5, reveals an undeniable charism.One listens to you and admires you because you always manage to adapt to one’s level. You look self-assured. But do not neglect your needs for new experiences… It is written within your very constitution!
 
The name you have inherited – Alexandre – characterized by number 3, is undoubtedly at the origin of your unquestionable self-control, of your skillfulness and of your creativity…
 
Your soul urge number – 9 – extracted from the vowels of both your first and last names, provides information about the personality, as experienced from the inside, on your desire, your motivation… As far as you are concerned, you clearly aspire to achieve yourself in a wholesome manner. You have an emotional and sensitive nature and a strong idealistic character, not always connected to the harshness of reality and hence prone to disenchantment. You want to be useful to the others (and to the world in general) and you probably enjoy teaching and sharing. You seek total and true love and are capable of an incredible affective investment. Your affective life, often fragile, grows stronger and stabilizes with maturity.
 
Your inner-self number, the 8, is calculated with the consonants of both your first name and your last name. It reveals your skills on a material and/or professional level. In your case, the number shows your sense of practical initiative. Your are especially efficient when it comes to fieldwork, and you have good vibrations as far as business and transactions, of any kind, are concerned.
 
Your psychic number, the 6, reveals that, as far as you are concerned, feelings prevail! Hence your perpetual quest for affective harmony and your sensitivity to criticism. You fear isolation and abandonment. You are most probably gifted with artistic talents and have this tendency to feel guilty for a mere trifle.
 
It is through your activities and your ambition that you make your way in life. At least, that is what your evolution number (1) says. Your 1 also confirms your brainy disposition, your gift for logics, your independence, your self-mastery and your creativity. In any case, your 1 enables you to achieve and attain almost anything, but you must rely on yourself.
 
Your inclusion table:

 Missing numbers: 7.

    7: Your missing 7 could also translate as “lack of self-confidence”. This is the origin of your fears, your anxiety and pessimism. You often suffer from insulation because you can’t always understand the others (and you simply don’t always like life). If you haven’t started yet, it’s now more than ever that you really ought to try and find a way of overcoming your problems.

     

   Prevailing number: 5.

    5: Your qualities of adaptation, self-reliance, mobility, your passion for travelling and novelty, not to mention your charisma and your gift for persuasion all strongly suggest a brilliant career as a lawyer, actress, politician, or maybe even as a soldier. In either case, we are talking about strong mobility.

     

Life cycle:

Your life path – 1 – based on your birth date, provides valuable information about your destiny in a theoretical manner, without taking your actual context into account. Number 1 is a path that keeps going higher and higher. It can lead you really far. In short, this is the path of the leaders, determined and tough. Number 1 accounts in essence for you enthusiastic nature and you willingness. The more you progress on your path, the more traits such as shyness or indecisiveness tend to disappear. The main obstacles on your path are a tendency to be bossy with the people you love. Now this a trait that you absolutely want to master! You need to be an example for the others.
 
Your life cycle – the 9 – mainly explains your openness to the world and your need to make yourself useful. You have been in your third and last cycle, the harvest cycle, since April 6, 1899. After a painful adolescence, in pursuit of a just cause, after a hectic working life made of fantastic encounters and overcommitment, you are now indulging yourself into new aspirations… This is the time of your great cause for which, if you haven’t already, you will fight with brilliance!
 
Your life cycle is made of four major achievements. Since the April 5, 1898, you are experiencing your fourth and last achievement, which has the value 4, and is about self achievement through work, discipline, organization. This being said even if your life path in 1 pushes you towards autonomy, you will have understood by now, with the help of your experience, that self-assertion demands some kind of rigor. There is no way one can get there without a little work! It makes no doubt that you know perfectly well how to deal with this last achievement and to take the most out of it.
Temporal cycles:

Numerology considers 9 personal years. Each of which helps evaluating the general trends of the current calendar year. As far as you are concerned, your personal year is 6, symbol of consistency. This year, you need to feel comfortable in your environments: you really need to feel at ease inside your family and at work… Whatever happens, you will adapt and make your surroundings feel logical, consistent, understandable. Actions such as house moving or finding another job are not to be excluded if either (or both) can provide you with a sense of stability.
 
Your astrological house (or sector) gives a useful little extra information to your personal year. This latter changes at every birthday, whereas the astrological house is valid from January the 1st to December 31st. You are currently in house 4, symbol of roots and home. You will invest more time in your home this year (or even move!) and this will drive you to feel more connected to reality.
 
Your personal month, the 1, provides the overall tonality of the current month: This is the time for you to take the initiatives.
 
Today is your personal day 9. You can finish the things that you have left up in the air for the past 9 days.

(Analysis computed on April 17, 2012 at 22:26)

Now you can explore numerology and then make your own idea about one of your ancestor’s character.

December 14, 1837

December 14, 1837 will be forever remembered in the memories of the people of St-Eustache.

On this cold winter day, Doctor Jean-Olivier Chénier and a hundred or so patriots of Saint-Eustache and surrounding parishes bravely faced 2000 men led by British General Colborne.


Barricaded in the church, the presbytery, the convent, the manor, and some houses in front of the town square and along main street, Chénier’s companions were not able to oppose for a very long time Queen Victoria’s troops.

In less than two hours, all of the village was encircled and became an easy prey. Between the first canon shot from le chemin de la Grande-Côte and the crackling of last rifle shots, the battle was over in less than five hours.

Using primitive weapons and being captive in their own fortress, the patriots were doomed. If not asphyxiated or burned to death, they would die from the bullets shot by the English soldiers or the volunteers while trying to flee. This is how those who believed in a just cause died: Jean-Olivier Chénier, Joseph Paquet, Jean-Baptiste Lauzé, Nazaire Filion, Séraphin Doré, François Dubé, Joseph Guitard, Pierre Dubeau, Joseph Bonnet, Jean-Baptiste Toupin and Alexis Lachance. With these men of Saint-Eustache several others from the surrounding region and from Sainte-Scholastique would also die.

In his Journal historique, the curé Paquin tells what he saw the day after the battle…

All the beautiful part of the village was nothing more but one big pile of smoking ruins where we could find here and there disfigured corpses, all covered with blood and half-burned. The church was reduced to ashes…

The number of burned houses totaled 60, most of them being amongst the most beautiful. This entire scene of desolation pointed out to carnage and revenge. Saint-Eustache all laid in ruins and the ashes were still smoldering. However there were enough cruel people to completely destroy what the fire had saved. Even pieces of the church bell became easy prey for these looters.

Jean-Baptiste Marineau, father of Jean-Baptiste Marineau

This is the translation of part of a text written by Jonathan Lemire.

The original is here. (it takes some time to view it… be patient)

Like many others, Jean-Baptiste Marineau was not implicated directly in the rebellion in St-Eustache. He was more a victim of the British army marching thru St-Eustache in December 1837.

Jean-Baptiste Marineau was born in the early 1800s. No trace of his exact birthplace nor his birthdate can be found in the parish registers. He was the son of Jean-Baptiste Marineau and Josette (Josephte) Quenneville. Martin Marineau was his brother, who was also implicated indirectly in the 1837 rebellion in Saint-Eustache.

On January 12, 1829, Jean-Baptiste Marineau married in Saint-Eustache Marie-Jeanne Lauzé, daughter of Paul Lauzé and Marie Poirier. The couple had at least five children : Marie-Charles-Julie (1816)*, Louis (1818)*, Philomène (1840), Marie-Charlotte (1843) et Jean-Baptiste (1844).

The 1825 census shows that Marineau was a farmer on le chemin de la Rivière-Nord in Saint-Eustache. In the 1840s, he was the owner of a ferry in Saint-Eustache. In 1851, a few years before his death, the census lists him as a carpenter.

Jean-Baptiste Marineau was the victim of reprisals from soldiers and volunteers when they marched thru Saint-Eustache on December 14th and 15th, 1837.

On February 10th, 1846, he made a claim  for £5, 15 sols and 6 deniers to la Commission des Pertes de 1837-1838. Here is the official letter :

À messieurs les Commissaires,
Jean-Baptiste Marineau, traversier, demeurant paroisse de Saint-Eustache.
A l’honneur de soumettre à votre examen un compte détaillé des pertes par lui éprouvées principal et accessoire, pendant l’insurrection de la paroisse de Saint-Eustache par suite du pillage à main armée.
Pour (mot illisible) votre religion, messieurs, l’exposant vous soumettre en temps et lieu, les témoins ou autres pièces justificatives que vous jugerez convenables.
Il a l’honneur d’être avec un profond respect, messieurs, votre très humble serviteur.
Montréal, 12 février 1846

His claim was for all these items: a rifle, a sideboard, a bed, a carpenter’s workbench, a coat, a large kettle, a salting tub, twelve terrines, two  one-gallon jugs, two barge oars. Two witnesses were present: Paul Rochon and Pierre Vanier.

After the unrest, he signed a petition to rebuild the church destroyed in 1837; this document was dated November 27, 1844.

Jean-Baptiste Marineau died in Saint-Eustache on March 9, 1852. He was 48. He was buried in St-Eustache on March 11, J. Meilleur and Charles Biroleau were acting as witnesses.

References :
BAC, Feddocs, Lower Canada Rebellion looses claims 1837-1855, Project no 19-2, RG 19, series E-5-B (R200-113-0-F), volume 5482, no 190 ; volume 3786, no 1866.
BAC, recensement de 1825, County of the Lake of Two-Mountains, St.Eustache Parish, bobine C-718.
BAC, recensement de 1851, County of the Lake of Two-Mountains, St.Eustache Parish.
Répertoire des Actes de baptêmes, mariages et sépultures (R.A.B.), P.R.D.H.

* these children were most probably a sister and a brother since Jean-Baptiste Marineau married Marie-Jeanne Lauzé in 1829.

Stay tuned.

More information on the way…

Watch for those goose bumps.

The Marineaus

Yesterday’s picture was a reenactment.

It was probably taken during a parade that took place in St-Eustache in the 1970s to commemorate the rebellion of 1837.

The caption says…

Les soldats enfoncent les vitres des maisons. Le jeune Marineau sort de chez lui et reçoit une décharge de fusil.

The soldiers broke the window glass of the houses. The young Marineau went outside and he was shot.

This picture is by no means a reenactment…

This is Jean-Baptiste Marineau.

He was born around 1844-1845 and he bears the same given name as his brother who was shot on February 22nd, 1838 and died of his wounds on March 8th.

This is part of a text I found on the first ancestor of the Marineaus. It’s only available in French.

Marineau dit Ostain

- C’est à Saint-Pierre de Marennes, près de Seudre, chef-lieu de canton de la Charente-Maritime, France, que l’on trouve Pierre Ostain et son épouse Catherine Justemet. Ils ont un fils prénommé Jean qui traverse l’Atlantique vers le nouveau monde. C’est à Beauport, le 10 janvier 1691, qu’il épouse Jeanne Tardif, fille de Jacques Tardif et de Barbe d’Orange. C’est la première génération en Amérique.

- Leur fils, Pierre Ostain, épouse à Montréal, le 8 janvier 1731, Catherine-Gertrude Lecompte, fille de Samuel-Jean et de Marie-Jeanne Jérémie.

- C’est à la troisième génération que Jean-Baptiste, fils de Pierre Ostain, prend le nom de Marineau. Alors Jean-Baptiste Marineau dit Ostain épouse à Longue Pointe, le 5 octobre 1767, Marie Angélique Chartier, fille de François et de Hélène Larchevêque.

- Puis son fils, Jean-Baptiste Marineau, épouse au Sault au Récollet, le 25 septembre 1797, Josephte Quenneville, fille de François et de Marie Judith Galipeau.

- C’est Martin Marineau qui arrive le premier dans notre région. Il épouse à Saint-Eustache, le 6 août 1827, Esther Ducharme, fille de Joseph et de Véronique Presseau.

Recherche par Suzanne Gendre

This is where I found the text.

Now this is the translation I did.

Marineau dit Ostain

- Pierre Ostain and his wife Catherine Justemet lived in Saint-Pierre de Marennes, near Seudre, county-town of Charente-Maritime in France. Jean, a son,  emigrated to the New World by crossing the Atlantic. Jean married Jeanne Tardif, daughter of Jacques Tardif and Barbe d’Orange in Beauport, on January 10th 1691. This is the first generation of Marineaus in America.

- A son, Pierre Ostain, married Catherine-Gertrude Lecompte, daughter of Samuel-Jean Lecompte and Marie-Jeanne Jérémie, in Montreal on January 8th, 1731.

- The name Marineau was first used by Jean-Baptiste, son of Pierre Ostain. Jean-Baptiste Marineau dit Ostain married Marie Angélique Chartier, daughter of François Chartier and Hélène Larchevêque, in Longue Pointe, on October 5th, 1767.

- His son Jean-Baptiste Marineau, married Josephte Quenneville, daughter of François  Quenneville and Marie Judith Galipeau, at Sault-au-Récollet on September 25th, 1797.

- Martin Marineau is the first Marineau to settle in our region. He married Esther Ducharme, daughter of Joseph Ducharme and Véronique Presseau, in Saint-Eustache on August 6, 1827.

Research by Suzanne Gendre

If you can read French, click here and visit this Website for more information on St-Eustache…

To be continued…

The desire to write grows with writing.

Desiderius Erasmus

March 10, 1838

Jean-Baptiste Marineau was a 7 year-old boy wounded  by the volontaires de St-André on February 22, 1838, in  St-Eustache. 

Reenactment done during a commemoration probably in the 1970s in St-Eustache.

He died on March 8, 1838.


His parents, Jean-Baptiste Marineau and Marie-Jeanne Lauzé gave the same name to another boy born later around 1845.

Jean-Baptiste Marineau 

Jean-Baptiste Marineau is the ancestor of many Americans. One of his son, Adrien or Adrian, emigrated to the United States in 1915.

Adrien married Eva Duval in 1913 in Montréal.

This is where they got married.

Photo  Jacques Fortin

Photo  Jacques Fortin

I will tell you more next time about the Marineaus who lived in St-Eustache back in the 1850s.