Philomène Sauvé or Philomena Sovie…

Philomène Sauvé or Philomena Sovie was Honoré’s favorite niece…

I just feel it in my bones…

Philomène…? She was my favorite niece…

I found her while looking for the children of Joseph Sauvé and Mathilde Leduc.

 

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But I found much more…

This is the lead I was talking about in my last article.

Two years ago, I met someone on the Internet who also had a passion for genealogy. Ted lives in Nashville, if I remember correctly.

Ted had some Sauvé names in his data bank but not that much. Last week I stumbled on a match on My Heritage site.

There was Ted alright with Philomena Sovie!

There was this note attached to his Philomena’s file…

FREIDA CHILD RESEARCH

Letter from Freida Child, a professional researcher I hired to look into our Canadian roots.  The letter is dated 2 Sep 1993.  She traced down the ancestors of Philomena Robillard.  She shows the last name to be Sauve, not Sovie.

Ted has Philomène’s parents but that’s where he was stuck. I sent him a message right away on his My Heritage site but I did not get any answer.

I think his genealogy site is now inactive.

I have to check if I have his personal e-mail and follow that lead.

 

I found something more about Philomène Sauvé while looking at Ted’s file on her.

Philomène died on December 17, 1899, just one week after her uncle Honoré.

Tomorrow it’s Christmas.

Something good will happen, I can feel it in my bones.

NEWS FLASH

I just found Ted e-mail…and I found other people on My Heritage.

Philomena Sovie is in their data banks with her husband’s name.

Will this story will never stop?

Julie my dear… Your favorite soap opera is on…

Is your ancestor’s name Joseph Sauvé?

I had to resist the temptation of putting this article on my blog last Sunday… but I was able to control my blog addiction…

- Honoré my love, did our great-great-grandchild Pierre say drug addiction…?
I think my hearing aid needs a new battery…

– No dear, I think I heard him say something about a hog or a log…

Is your ancestor’s name Joseph Sauvé?

Yes!

Well finding your roots might be somewhat difficult unless you are addicted to genealogy.

You see the given name Joseph was very common in French Canada, and since people named their children after their father, grandfather or great-grandfather… Joseph became even more common.

Furthermore, to add to all this, the name Joseph was also given before the given name to all male child.

Go figure…

Anyway, this is what I found… in the 1852 Canadian census in Coteau-du-Lac, Vaudreuil county, in the province of Quebec…

1852
Vaudreuil (county)
St. Ignace parish
Coteau du Lac

Sauvé, Joseph    Cultivateur  St Ignace    36    M
Leduc, Mathilde                       Ile Perrot   32    F
Sauvé, Arthur                          St Ignace    17    M
Sauvé, Philomène                    St Ignace    10    F
Sauvé, Honoré                         St Ignace    8    M
Sauvé, Marie                            St Ignace   5    F
Sauvé, Marguerite                  St Ignace   2    F

So our Joseph Sauvé, Honoré’s brother, had his two sons baptized this way…

Joseph Arthur Sauvé (1835)

Joseph Honoré Sauvé (1844)

The girls had the name Marie put in front of their given name when they were baptized…

Marie Philomène (1842)

Marie Marie (1845)

Marie Marguerite (1850)

So you see, when we came across the marriage of one Joseph Sauvé, Denis and I were asking ourselves…

Had Joseph Arthur been married three times..?

We had found a marriage in 1883 of a Joseph Sauvé whose parents were Joseph Sauvé and Mathilde Leduc.

We knew that Joseph Arthur was married first to Félicité Legault, then to Victoria Brassard.

Was he married a third time to Hermina Fournier…?

Nope…

Joseph Arthur had only been married twice.

It’s his brother Joseph (Joseph Joseph), born in 1861, who married Hermina Fournier in 1883 in St-Zotique.

We find Joseph Sauvé with his wife Mathilde and their last child, Joseph, in the 1861 Canadian census…

Name:      Joseph Sauvè
Title:
Gender:     Male
Age:     67y
Calculated Birth Year:     1814
Birthplace:     Quebec
Marital Status:     Married
Occupation:     Cultivateur
Ethnic Origin:     French
Religion:     Catholique
Head of Household:     Joseph Sauvè
Born During Last Year:
Census Place:     St-Zotique, Soulanges, Quebec, Canada
District Number:     74
Sub District:     C
Division:
Page Number:     42
House Number:     1074113
Family Number:     208
Digital Folder Number:     4464304
Image Number:     00551
Film Number:     1375843
Library and Archives Canada Film Number:     C-13207

**Household**    **Gender**    **Age**
Joseph Sauvè     **M**     67y
Mathilde Sauvè     **F**     62y
Joseph Sauvè     **M**     20y

Joseph Sauvè (Sauvé) was 67 in 1881 and his son Joseph Sauvè was 20 years old.

So all this makes sense.

Confused…?

Let’s recap…

Joseph Sauvé, born in 1861, son of Joseph Sauvé born in 1815, son of Joseph Sauvé dit Laplante, born in 1785, married Hermina Fournier in 1883.

So it could not have been Joseph Arthur born in 1835 who married Hermina. It was his brother Joseph who married Hermina, born in April 1861, in Notre-Dame church, in Ogdensburg, New York.

Now the only thing missing are some wedding pictures… but I think I have a good lead.

- Julie my dear… you know how I love those wedding pictures…

I do hope Joseph’s descendants did not put my favorite niece wedding picture in the garbage

- Which Joseph are you talking about? I’m all confused…

Jerry Robitaille… Take 2

I got this comment last week on my article on Jerry Robitaille…

I just could not believe this…

Sorry, but in this case the Mormon site is incorrect concerning Jerry’s place of birth. He was not born in New Bedford.

According to Massachusetts records, there is no birth for him in the Massachusetts Archives maintained by the Secretary of State.
According to New Bedford records, there is no birth of anyone whose last name starts with the letter R in New Bedford from 1842 to 1848.

However, in the New Bedford Vital Records, Jerry’s birth – as recorded on his gravestone in New Bedford – was March 15, 1846.
He is buried at Rural Cemetery in New Bedford, but that does not mean that he was born in the city.

His GAR record, preserved at the New Bedford Free Public Library and based on information that he provided when he enrolled in the local GAR post in 1894, states that he was born in Canada and came to New York about 1863, shortly before he enlisted.

He is one of the few persons of French or French-Canadian origin to have fought in the Civil War and to have a link to New Bedford. That itself makes him noteworthy!

Jerry Robitaille

Isaïe Sauvé: Honoré Sauvé’s and Julie Leroux’s first child

I don’t usually post anything on weekends… except when I promise something important on Fridays…

Thank God for Fridays…

This is Isaïe Sauvé.

This photo was one of the many photos my aunt had in her two plastic grocery bags stashed away in the back of her closet in her room on the second floor…

These photos will never find themselves among the trash in a garbage truck because I scanned them all.

When I scanned this particular picture in 2007, I never realized at the time that I was going to post it someday on a blog.

I did not even know what was a blog back then.

This is my 126th article on this blog on genealogy.

This is not that much when you compare how many articles I wrote on the French version of my blog on genealogy.

More than 800 articles more or less since January 2008.

So you see, genealogy can become somewhat compulsive or addictive…

There is so much to write about…

Like Isaïe Sauvé, Honoré’s and Julie’s pride and joy.

You learn so much when you search for information like Isaïe who got married three times.

Also, you might find who was present at Honoré Sauvé’s and Julie Leroux’s wedding.

Do you want to take a wild guess?

No?

Yes?

You’ve guessed right…

Joseph Sauvé!

Odette’s ancestor!

Here’s the proof.

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Joseph Sauvé was a witness to his brother Honoré’s marriage, and probably his wife Mathilde Leduc who there to…

The marriage took place on November 8, 1842 at St-Ignace church in Coteau-du-Lac.

 

 

A view of St-Ignace church, it is located at 339 Le Fleuve road in the city of Coteau-du-Lac. The parish was founded in 1833, the first church was built between 1849 and 1854. It was destroyed by a fire on December 23, 1908. It was rebuilt and destroyed again by a fire on December 8, 1999. The walls survived and it was rebuilt with a different bell tower.

Source: http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/North_America/Canada/Central/Quebec/Coteau-du-lac/photo409844.htm

That was 168 years ago.

168 years later, two Sauvé descendants meet on the Internet and team up to discover more about their ancestors…

I wonder if Isaïe Sauvé looked a little like his uncle Joseph Sauvé…?

Or if Joseph Sauvé looked like his other nephew, my great-grandfather Léon…?

I will have to take a look in my plastic grocery bags…

That would be something.

Honoré Sauvé’s children…

Yesterday I told you I was going to talk about Honoré Sauvé’s family, but you see, it was also Julie Leroux’s family.

I understand genealogy uses the name of the father, but I think we owe Julie Leroux just a bit of recognition in the part she played in all this.

Right on Baby…!

Few people outside Quebec know that women in Quebec kept their maiden name in the 1850s when they got married.

Here is the proof.

In the 1852 census we read Honoré Sauvé, 27, and Julie Leroux, 26.

1852 census

After, men voted a law that changed all that…

Married women had to carry their husband’s name.

Go figure…

Anyway, Julie Leroux had 11 children, 6 boys and 5 girls.

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She probably had a whole lot more.

Some might have died at birth or some might have been lost through miscarriages…

You see, the Catholic clergy in Quebec, back in those days, incited women to have a baby a year…

Go figure…

So I figure that Julie had around 22 pregnancies in her life. 50% survived though some died as infants.

Julie was married on November 8, 1843 and her first child Isaïe was born on February 12, 1845.

That’s 15 months between the marriage and Isaïe’s birth. Her last recorded birth was April 16, 1866 when she was 42 years old. She gave birth to Paul Saül Sauvé.

Anyway, Julie did her best to raise a family and keep the clergy happy.

Next time, I will show you old sepia photographs one of which will be Isaïe Sauvé.

I know Odette will be thrilled by my old sepia photographs and specially one thing I found on the mormons’ site…

Having fun down South…

with the weather I mean?

No…?

Fox News

That bad weather you are having down South is not our fault… here in French Canada.

We have nothing to do with it.

French-Canadians are mostly fun people… and very friendly specially when it comes to genealogy.

You don’t believe it…?

Ask Ron.

Ron and I

You see 900,000 French-Canadians emigrated to the United States in the 1800s and the 1900s. Ron emigrated to Ontario when he was young. He found his roots in Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines and I showed him around town.

Ron wants to come back to Quebec very badly…

Eileen Katherine Sovie

This is one of the descendants of someone who moved to the United States in the 1800s…

Eileen is very special, so is this picture.

Eileen Sovie is very special to Odette Clouthier.

You see, Eileen Sovie is Odette’s grandmother.

As I said yesterday, Odette has been looking for her roots since 2000, and she knew a few thing about her grandmother’s lineage.

With what she knew, and with the help of Denis, her 2nd cousin, I was able to link Eileen Sovie to Joseph Sauvé and Mathilde Leduc.

Joseph Sauvé, as you must know by now, was Honoré Sauvé’s brother.

I had found everything about my great-great-grandfather Honoré back in 2007…

That’s great-great Pierre

Honoré looks a bit like me… if you take out the glasses… and take a little bit hair off the top.

I share something more than common ancestors with Odette.

Call it pride.

 

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Being proud of our ancestors, and in a way, bringing them back to life by remembering them even though we never saw them in real life.

Honoré died in 1899, but his memories live on thanks to that picture.

We don’t have a picture of Joseph Sauvé nor his son Arthur Sauvé, nor his grandchild William Sovie, nor his great-grandchild Otis E. Sovie… but we have Eileen’s picture.

But I am sure there are some pictures somewhere in an old box in an attic.

I hope people won’t throw these precious photographs in a garbage truck when their owners die. I have seen that a lot.

Next time, I will show you some old pictures of the Sauvé family.

The more the merrier…

Denis, Odette, and I are teaming up to find everything we can about our common ancestors.

And we are not scared the least bit by that passion for genealogy and old pictures.

What makes us tick?

A deep sense of where we come from and a deep desire to reach back in the past to see where we are going with our lives.

Don’t move Honoré… Watch the birdie…

Honoré Sauvé is my great-great-grandfather.

My aunt Evelyne had two plastic grocery bags full of old pictures of old people whom she did not know a thing about.

Among these pictures was this one of Honoré Sauvé and Julie Leroux.

That was back in July 2007 when my brother visited me and I brought some pictures along. Strangely enough he did not remember where he had gotten them.

Denis saw this same picture two weeks ago on my genealogy site and Denis got all excited. You see Denis has a lot of old pictures of old people also…

He told me mine was beautiful.

He wrote me about it because he knew someone who had Sauvés as her ancestors. He talked about his distant cousin Odette in the United States…

That made me tick and I wanted to know more.

I found that Odette’s ancestor was in fact Joseph Sauvé, Honoré’s brother.

I knew nothing about Joseph except that he was Honoré’s brother.

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Odette has been looking for her roots since 2000.

She knew very little about her Sauvé lineage but she knew about her Sovie lineage… Arthur Sauvé, William Sovie,  Otis E.Sovie and Eileen Katherine Sovie.

Eileen Sovie

I decided in 2008 to write a blog on genealogy, first in French then to write an English version.

I wanted to share what I knew about my roots with others either French or English speaking. Little did I know that, down the road, I would meet Odette Clouthier and Denis Cloutier.

You never can tell who you are going to meet down the road…

Hi Ron, it’s the long and winding road again…